Bored With This Board

[INLAND44]

Okay, I wished for a modern format for the carbine forum for years, and now we have it. So, why is it not as fun as the old board? Has anyone else felt this way? The old forum was like a wild west saloon, where you bellied-up to the bar and took your chances. You could count on some hothead starting a fight, and the chairs and bottles started flying. This is like being in church with a hangover. I don't think I've seen anything really interesting since it started. It's been so long since I checked in that it took me five tries to get my name and password right (I just ran a cleaner today which deleted all the cookies). I used to hit the old forum several times a day. Remember 'It's a fake'? What's a saloon without a character like 'Seth'?

[69 Stang]

My thoughts exactly. And its the same on all these new boards. Just not the same as the old Jouster boards.

[Bill Hollinger]

Post something really cool then! How about this???:dancingbanana::D:super:

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[Harlan]

CSP guys - what's the problem?
I can't figure it out myself other than it's not as familiar. Same group of great people and a modern web site format that runs much faster. Have fun and post away!

[Maniac]

I've got to agree that while I appreciate the civility of the nerw CSP boards I sometimes miss the anarchy of the old. Maybe it's just going to take time for more of the regulars to migrate here. One used to see Gus Fisher post quite often and there used to be many more WTS on the old boards.
Maybe not as exciting as it once was but still an excellent source of knowledge. I'd like to see serial # threads for all makes of M1 Carbines that include the barrel info, maybe same for Garands, and 03's as well.
Let's give it some more time, it will come around.

Charlie

[lbelflowers]

I think the collector breed is dying out. The new ,younger generation is all about the AR platform. Parts are still cheap for those guns and plentiful. Our beloved M1 Carbine has fallen prey to the gougers and humpers and people are willing to change an upgraded version back to the old version,sell for a profit to the unknowing and when they find out,it turns them off. Just look at the barrel bands and flip sights that turn up everyday.

Loren

[rayg]

One thought on why it may not be as exciting for some folks anymore is that many of you have been collecting carbines for a long time and not too many things come up that are new or interesting or contain new knowledge for you anymore. I find this to be the case with me where I don't frequent some forums as much as I used to with some guns and topics. Anyway, just a thought, Ray

[Tired Retired]

My observation is that all the gun boards I am visiting seem to be slowly dying - unless its to complain about lack of ammo, gunpowder or primers. Gunshows seem to be full of people focused on stocking up with "something, anything, hey what is that???". Few people are going to the range, making slow and thoughtful purchases or are focused on investment with certain pieces. Its all "now, now, stock-up, stock-up, horde, horde". I think this is somehow draining from the collector side of gunownership. GB and AA prices for carbines (and all guns) seem to be highly inflated. What is available is not worth the price that some humpers want. The demand for anything military has CMP so busy that they are 3 months behind on firearms and 6 months behind on ammo. Oh, and don't forget the impact of all the new fake parts and CC tools which has everyone just a little bit more suspicious of what is out there to collect.

This forum switched over in the middle of all of the "crisis" build-up. There isn't as much trading going on cause these negative market forces. I don't think collecting is dying, but right now its hard to add to collections when a Inland mixmaster is going for $1,200 (yep, thats what the price tag said) in a local gunshop the other day and a recent CMP purchase is up for resale on GB for $800. My next addition is on the waiting list at CMP, so I have nothing new to chat about until late June (???) when it gets here.

Of course, I will be glad to be my usual smarta$$ self if anyone wants to read some obnoxious posts!

[Ed Johnson]

Hi guys. Ray is probably on the money. When I started with carbines several years ago, I could barely field strip and clean the Underwood I have owned for 30 plus years. I didn't know that that "thing" which went into the recoil spring was called nor that it was a great tool. Thanks to Brian, Loren and others on this forum, I can now change out and then index a new barrel, change out front and rear sights, replace all bolt parts and trigger housing parts etc etc.
So the basics that so many new owners need to know, I have learned and therefore have fewer questions than early on. This is probably the case for many other once "new" owners. As to missing the controversy which sometimes emerged, I don't need that and am glad to see it go West. I enjoy this group and thank each of you who have been so helpful in my education.
Let's all continue to make this an interesting in informative gathering place. Good shooting.
Best to all.
Ed

[phillydude]

i agree about this board,it beats nothing,but i liked the old jouster much better. when they were starting the switch over to here,i checked it out and never came back until this week.so who know, maybe this will grow on me
brian

[JimF4M1s]

The old forum was easier to use and find past posts. I guess we were spoiled.

Well after 30 years of collecting carbines I still find or read about something new or interesting on the board. Also Charlie reports weird stocks, Marcus reports new humpers. Everyone crys about M-2's having to be thrown away. Someone finds a gun put away for 50 years that is untouched. Things do still come along. Just not as often as before. Just a reason to report everything and see where it goes.

Personally I'm waiting for a new "War Baby" book to talk about.

Then waiting to retire and move to a state that allows fully auto guns.

Are they going to have another big Birmingham Carbine exhibit? I would love to try and make one of those.

I hate the plastic Matel guns. Give me a Thompson, BAR, M3 Grease Gun, Sten gun, M-2 Carbine anytime.

But I don't miss Seth!!!

JimF

[Magyar]

Personally, I like this format & site better than the other. Even though I posted rarely, every day I would scan and read most of the posts, including this site.
The old forum had a hiearchy of certain members that dominated the replies with their input, however relevant. Here, everyone started out on a more equal basis and find it refreshing to see others contributing to information on carbines. Don't get me wrong, when Brian Q speaks, I listen; but it's nice to read others opinions.

[phillydude]

jim......i dont think paul is going to do the exhibit in birmingham. i wish he would, i told him i would fly out just to put my carbine in it

brian

[doncb]

The OLD CULVERS SHOOTING forum was terrific,it was a place to meet people,learn things and ask questions. Maybe its the change of the forum itself, because its different. It sure isnt the same place anymore. Thats for sure, I used to come here a dozen times a day and read all of them. donb in fl.

[rayg]

I also liked the old forum but this one is much easier to use and that includes posting photos. You don't need to post one and then hit reply and post another and so on etc. One posts posts all the photos.
From what I'm reading, some folks are just resisting change. A common thing when one gets used to one way of doing things. I'm probably the most guilty of that with at least this exception.
I guess everyone has choices, they can either except this forum the way it is or excerise your right to not log on to it. But if you do decide to participate in it, lets suport it and not complain about it. Ray

[JimF4M1s]

To rayg,

Your comment:
"From what I'm reading, some folks are just resisting change. A common thing when one gets used to one way of doing things."

If I wanted change I would have voted for Obama. Look what's happened to us and the idiots that did.

OK Inland44, hows that for stirring the pot? That was your initial post,

JimF

[phil441]

To rayg,

Your comment:
"From what I'm reading, some folks are just resisting change. A common thing when one gets used to one way of doing things."

If I wanted change I would have voted for Obama. Look what's happened to us and the idiots that did.

OK Inland44, hows that for stirring the pot? That was your initial post,

JimF

Ahhh, now it feels like home.....

[rayg]

"If I wanted change I would have voted for Obama. Look what's happened to us and the idiots that did

Like I said, everyone has choices. But voting or not voting for Obama is kind of a stretch though in relation to posting on this forum. I don't think many of us will like those changes but they are beond our personal control, Ray

[BHP]

I don't know. I just lurked on the old board. I kind of think ya did pretty good with Sal! :super: I was entertained :clap:

Looking for some information on a M1 carbine marked G.H.D. on receiver. - Military Surplus Collectors Forums (http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=10018)

[JimF4M1s]

Just funing with you Ray, to get a laugh out of Inland44.

No one on these boards would have wanted Obama, I hope.

[rayg]

:) I hope not also

[INLAND44]

Okay, Jim, that was funny! Ray - please don't take the attitude of 'accept it as it is or go away'. That's a negative response that won't help anything. Who knows? We may come up with a way of making it more interesting. But, I do agree that the carbine forum has 'matured' as all forums do, and the action slows down as 'newbies' ask the same old questions over and over. A forum peaks after a few years as the regular readers get more and more educated by the experienced collectors. Since we are the first generation of Internet users, we are basically writing the book on how (and how not) to do things here, and experiencing these particular problems for the first time in history. I don't know why some forums survive the peak and some don't, but I think we all agree that this one has suffered since the move. Obviously, it's up to us to do something about it. I have thought about the possibility of breaking it up into sub-forums like so many other boards, but short of re-engineering this board (which is probably not going to happen) I really don't have any suggestions. If you will go to the m1911.org forum, you will find one that remains vibrant and is easy to use to quickly find new posts, etc. As is typical, several extremely experienced collectors 'rule' there, but are also very free with their knowledge. Talk about alive, check out AR15.com - it also includes the AK-47. If you long for the wild west saloon, there you have it. Well, nothing to do but keep checking in and posting. It will either come to life or it won't.

[rayg]

Good thoughts. sorry if my posts seemed negative but guess I was just resonding to the negative posts about the forum which actually had been started by your "Bored With This Board" post. I check this forum about every day and you mentioned that it's been so long since you did that you forgot how to check in so I guess I kind of took offense to someone who don't participte in the forum anymore knocking it.
But I'm happy that you are again participating and in a very positive way and you are right negative responses don't help anything, Ray

[DaveHH]

The old board for carbines was sometimes tedious as one person after another proclaimed a part or carbine to be a fake when it might in fact be perfectly legitimate. That's what stuck out in my mind; it was just opinions and bad guesses. A very, very few were really knowledgeable on the subject, Brian being my pick for definitive expert. The 1911 board is a wonder with guys like Johnny Peppers handing out gems of knowledge; he's amazing. And on the 1903 site, Mr Beard speaks with authority. This board was always hostile to opinions not shared, the bad guessers didn't like being told they might be wrong. The strict behavior policies have taken some of this hostility away. I've learned a lot by visiting here, I vividly recall looking over my Winchester and missing most of the keys to identification. In the space of a few years, I discovered that it is most likely an original example. Time well spent, but sometimes very tedious when I'd post a very good cartouche that is common and in line with the rest of the indicators and then have a so-called expert tell me it was a fake. The person who knows told me it wasn't.

[Griff Murphey]

I mainly lurk on the M-1 and 03 boards... I def. agree the new format does not have as much off-the-wall stuff from Bubba Boofaw in Bugtussel. "I hav this hyar ol rifel gun I was give after I moowwed this hyar ledy's yard..." and just in general it is more sedate... fewer comments, less aggressive in your face stuff. I think registration ran off the idiot fringe which in its way was entertaining...

[bruce381]

how do you change over the look to the old jouster having the main post with the coments below that for me is a fast way to see what posts I want to get on otherwise i have to open every one and to me thats where I get lose interest.
bruce

[CTMC(ret)]

Right above the top post on a page you'll see (over on the right side):

Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display

Click on "Display", then select "Threaded Mode".

[Bubba-7]

Well, that was different.

[Magyar]

how do you change over the look to the old jouster having the main post with the coments below that for me is a fast way to see what posts I want to get on otherwise i have to open every one and to me thats where I get lose interest.
bruce
This is probably the main difference that many miss. They want to jump to what Expert Z has to say and skip the others, IMHO.
Not many will go to the Search as suggested above. We just need to get used to this format....

[Badger]

This is probably the main difference that many miss. They want to jump to what Expert Z has to say and skip the others, IMHO.
Not many will go to the Search as suggested above. We just need to get used to this format....

Nobody needs to do any searching to approximate the old Jouster post display ... :lol:

This was covered in an old Announcement of March 18th, 2009 (http://www.milsurps.com/announcement.php?f=81) ...

For members that prefer the old site's style of showing threads. here's a system feature to switch this new look back to something similar to that old Jouster style of thread presentation. Open up any thread and then look up to the right of the very FIRST post in the thread and you'll see a button called Display Modes.

Click on it and test out the different looks to see if there's one you're more comfortable with, as opposed to the default Linear Mode mode.

There's one called Threaded Mode that's very close to Jouster's old style ... :thup:

Learning new software can be challenging, especially when you're a 61 year old veteran like me, wearing bifocals. There's more functionality here than most members will ever use, but a lot of it helps customize the look and feel, to make even old folks like me comfortable. :cheers:

[TDH]

"If I wanted change I would have voted for Obama. Look what's happened to us and the idiots that did

Like I said, everyone has choices. But voting or not voting for Obama is kind of a stretch though in relation to posting on this forum. I don't think many of us will like those changes but they are beond our personal control, Ray

Sorry Ray it is NOT beyond our personal control.:nono: You have many legal options :thup:and a bunch more that are not so legal.:p



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