Enfield No.32 Sniper scope on Scambay £1545 !!

[neal455]

Has anybody seen this yet ??? Item no 170406943951

Its a "Mk2" So slightly interesting but £1545 ??? Read the discription as to his idea's of values, tad off the mark i think !!! Makes mine look a bargin !!

Moderator Edit: Added auction link with post to make it easy to view for members

WW2 British Enfield No32 sniper scope - eBay (item 170406943951 end time Dec-14-09 08:12:08 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170406943951&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR4 0%26_trksid%3Dp3907.m38.l1313%26_nkw%3D17040694395 1%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1#ht_500wt_956)

[PrinzEugen]

Yes I saw it - will watch to see what it makes, but don't think I'll be bidding! I suppose (given the recent prices at the Bisley show) it *might possibly maybe perhaps probably not though* bring the value to £4k - but only if you've got the correct 4t which is missing that exact scope.

[tbonesmith]

Yeah, just saw it then...definitely no value there...And did you like "turn a 250 pound rifle into a 4000 pound rifle" just by slapping it on.

[neal455]

Its not even very good condition either !!!
I have a spare set of Enforcer scope mounts (Ba20 and 21) £10,000 anybody?

[neal455]

you might need a scope mount and a pair of pads too to slap it on !!! (Can be found on every street corner shop)

[Beerhunter]

I find it pretty appalling that that sellers can get away with claims like: "When these scopes are fitted they turn a £250 Enfield into a £4000 Enfield."

We all know that is plain nonsense but it may trap the unwary.

I have tried to complain about false claims on EBay in the past but they just don't want to know.

[Strangely Brown]

No 8322, I wonder if its been recorded by one of the forumers in a previous life??

[Peter Laidler]

The ironic thing is that I got several hundreds less than that for a virtually brand new(?), bead blasted, phosphated, painted and baked FTR'd Mk2/1(W) about 4 months ago. Calibrated, run up, no backlash, test fired on the slave jig........ Let's see what it fetches

8322 hasn't been through my hands either, but if it does................ Incidentally, I found parts of 8319 inside a derelict ex Indian Army telescope. So that could indicate where 8322 has spent some of its life........

[neal455]

I bet there is a box full of these scopes somewhere . . . . .in a dusty old surplus shop in india some where Keep looking !

[Alan de Enfield]

Ignoring the text, these have been fairly consistently making £1000+ on ebay so maybe he's not to far away, just 12 months 'early' with his pricing.

Its often said (about Enfields) "you didnt pay to much, just bought to early".

To my mind, EPay has been a godsend and a pain in the a**, its opened up the 'world' and allowed me to source items I'd never have found, but its also driven up the price beyond all reason - however, things only fetch what folks are prepared to pay.
I know Epay is anti-gun, (but most of the world is heading in that direction) but until we can get another international seller / auction to serve our needs I'm afraid we have to live with them.

Similarly the other on-line auctions (Gunbroker, Auction arms etc) have partly opened up the world, its just the sellers who are not prepared to sell abroad.
The 'For Sale' pages on forums such as this do not really help, the sellers I've asked do not want to ship (parts - not firearms) outside their home country. (Not everyone but most) Until we can overcome the perceived problems of exporting we are going to see ever increasing prices in our local markets.

I reckon that Enfield prices must have increased by around 50% in the last 12 months or so and I'm sure we'll continue to see these increases in the coming years.

Q) When demand outstrips supply what happens ?
A) The one with the deepest pockets wins !!!

[neal455]

Hey Alan!
I have been trying to buy a
m1 Carbine Parastock from the States for a few weeks now (yes there are other rifles apart from lee's) same old situation USA postal will not ship ANY gun parts now, even a wooden stock. Vendors all seem to not run the risk of putting "wooden parts" on the box. Yet how come i get parts from "several gun parts dealers " with out to much hassle ? ? Only issue is they all dont/
wont send more than $100 worth of bits, due to their new laws?? Again i cant get a stock !! Any one got one?? Ebay.com has a ton of "gun parts" but its staying in the USA !

[Peter Laidler]

Back to the telescope saga. Has anyone any idea what one of the modern repro Mk2's is valued at?

[RJW NZ]

Right on the money Alan, for all the (legitimate) complaints about e and pp, the access to a wide range of items has done a lot to develop interest in history and historic memorabilia, not just gun restoration but many other things such as uniforms and accoutrements.
I'd be quite happy to avoid E as well, I'm with Brian Dick who commented here a few days ago about feeding the hand that bites you, but whats the alternative?
A very frustrating part of this is that so many USA sellers of anything won't ship outside the US. For a country/world in recession I'm completely baffled that anyone can afford to turn away a customer with cash. I'm not talking gun/parts, but simple stuff like books, text books for kids etc. That gets a big fat Huh? from me.

[Roger Payne]

I wonder if our vendor has noticed that the anti-rotation peg is missing? If anyone wants to fit it into a No32 bracket it will be prone to cant without one. (It's actually just a 4BA grub screw. I've turned down the heads on many a cheeseheaded 4BA screw to make a perfect replacement, but at current prices I guess I ought to ask at least a hundred quid!).

ATB

[Strangely Brown]

I wonder if our vendor has noticed that the anti-rotation peg is missing?

I shouldn't think so, given that most of his other stock consisted of frocks!







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[Peter Laidler]

Further to Rogers note. The anti rotation screw is simple to replace if it's been unscrewed out, but a bit of a sod if it's been cut-off square. That's because you cannot get a drill onto the old cut-off screw past the erector cell collar and ocular housing. I have an 8" long drill that goes down a curved steel tube that..... anyway, it's a bit of a sod!

As for those that won't send innocent/lawful parts abroad, then I say just find someone that WILL and get the parts sent there, innocently re-packed and on their way. That's what I did with some AN-PVS2 parts. And we're talking just the rubber protective eye and OG end caps here!

[PrinzEugen]

Went for £1250 it seems.

[rayg]

A very frustrating part of this is that so many USA sellers of anything won't ship outside the US. For a country/world in recession I'm completely baffled that anyone can afford to turn away a customer with cash. I'm not talking gun/parts, but simple stuff like books, text books for kids etc. That gets a big fat Huh? from me.

I don't know about small and less expensive items but one of the reasons that folks in the US, including myself won't mail expensive items out of the country is when I sold on eBay, Some, if not most, of the out of the country bidders wanted you to mark the invoice price of the item a lot less then what it sold for and to name it some non collectable item to avoid their countries customs fees. Which then means you can't insure it for full price. If the item gets lost you're out the money. Also it's hard to bring claims for bad deals out of the country, Ray

[Peter Laidler]

This thread has certainly opened up a very good and thought provoking discussion. Maybe more forumers could add comments. Agree or disagree with about 'that' site or the general discussion.............

But I feel that the introduction of repro scopes will bring the prices down to earth a bit. I certainly feel in my bones that it'll nobble the value of No42/53's

[Peter Laidler]

Crikey, he must have heard us talking because as we spoke, it was withdrawn and sold at £1250..............

[read6737]

I made an offer of the going price,
ie the rough price the last 2 I have seen went for.
And well SHE accepted the offer. And offered me a guarantee.
Well my offer did save me 300 quid. Dont ask dont get........

As you can see if you read correctly it is a LADY who sold it and that
explains the dresses being sold on HER site.
The scope has come from a collector.

No 32 scopes are like hens teeth here in France along with the 4Ts.
So I dont mind paying a bit for something I want.

regards to all David :cheers:

[Alan de Enfield]

I dont think you paid to much - in 12 months you will look back and think "that was a cheap price".

Have you got a 4T to put it on, or is that your next purchase ?

[read6737]

I have what is thought to be an Israeli No 4 T.

[Beerhunter]

I dont think you paid to much - in 12 months you will look back and think "that was a cheap price".
I friend of mine reckons that one never pays too much, one only 'buys too early'. I can remember saying: "I'm not paying twenty bloody quid for a Luger Holster" and "I'm not paying fifty bloody quid for a No5 bayonet.", etc., etc,, etc.

[neal455]

The last 3 scopes i have seen all sold or were advertised for UNDER £700. My friend was watching one advertised for £750 which wasn't sold last time he looked. I spoke to the guy/girl about this scope and it ended not a very nice conversation. I just pointed out that i felt the advert was miss leading or less politely full of bollox's.
If these scopes are so thin on the ground, how comes there are currently 3 on ebay, and a counted at least 10 complete, boxed rifles spread about the gun trader , gun seller sites in the UK this week priced between £2500 and £3500. At what point are there more 4T's about then people that want them?? Everyone i know who loves them.......Has one already !! (or two)

Just an observation !

[read6737]

The last 2 I watched in the last few weeks on ebay went for justn over 1.200 each.
The prices are what they are.......
We have all helped in some way to get them up there.
You buy what you want.
Just look at the cost of getting a mark 1 or 2 ford escort.
You want one you pay the money. The same with any classic car or other collectible item.
I have been piped at the end of many a sale trying to buy a 32 scope many times because I just wanted one but at a bargain price, so I ended up with NONE till now, when I made an offer....saved 300 on the buy it now price... nothing ventured nothing gained..... In the end if it is ebay BYERS and SELLERS that are setting the prices..; supply and demand. I think that at 1250 I have got myself a good scope and stopped the price yet again being pushed up.


David

[neal455]

David
I am glad you got what you wanted!!
Personnally i cant justify these kind of prices, especally when they are avalible out there. I waited for one for 6 months, but when i did get one it was, well, lets say i got at a sensible price !!
Best of luck with yours, get it to Peter Laidler to get it sorted/cleaned/refinished (and the missing screw put back) you wont regret it !!
ATB Neal

[read6737]

My scope is to used in competition, 200meter sniper.
On our 200meter indoor range less than 5 min from my door.
I was departmental champ and gained an entry to the French nationals when the open metal site version was started, using a an 8X64 98K.
but for the last few years I have been judging the comp and helping others to shoot properly. :thup:

[read6737]

The No 32 mk11 arrived.
Yes it is missing the position screw, easy replacement as it has been unscrewed and not broken.
The optics are super clear, even with my very bad eyesight I can see superbly.
No damage worth noting an paint not bad.
AND it has an original rear sun shade fitted, an added bonus as I was not expecting it and have never seen one except for a rubber one on a No 42. I understand that they were fitted at times to the No32 mk1 and to a very few mk11s.

Ok the price was high but I am still happy.
I don't feel I am going to loose.

:super:

[Badger]

Ok the price was high but I am still happy.

:super:

If you're happy, that's all that matters ... :thup:

Can't tell you the amount of times that someone has said I've overpaid for something, but I don't give a sh$$, I hug and enjoy it anyway ... :beerchug:

Regards,
Badger

[neal455]

David i am glad you are happy with it. If its what you want then the price is absolutely irrevalant!
Get it fitted and use it for its intended . . . . Making holes in paper !!
Neal

[limpetmine]

If you're happy, that's all that matters ... :thup:

Can't tell you the amount of times that someone has said I've overpaid for something, but I don't give a sh$$, I hug and enjoy it anyway ... :beerchug:

Regards,
Badger

Once I was accused of paying too much for a widget, to which I replied, well, show me yours, to wit he said, "I don't have one, they cost too much".
Say WHAT?
Like Badger said, enjoy it!

[Surpmil]

I bet there is a box full of these scopes somewhere . . . . .in a dusty old surplus shop in india some where Keep looking !

There used to be in Brentwood, Essex! 5000 plus I was told, many cased and in the mounts. They sold 'em for £5.00 each...when that was half a week's wages.:D

[neal455]

Still is if you clean cars round here . . . .

[spalletta]

NO42 MK1 Tel STG 1943 REL
what should i pay for something like this also i looked through it and noticed a either side to side cross hair or up and down but no post , where can i get a mount for this and what should i be looking for at what price ? thank you for any help . Cheers Tony:super:

[Peter Laidler]

I don't think you'll get a mount/set of rings off the shelf for a No42/53 because the tubes are .020 or so over 1".