For those who haven't seen it...No.4 T on gunbroker

[spinecracker]

Complete, Matching, Lee Enfield No. 4 T Sniper : Curios and Relics at GunBroker.com
(http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=149592779)

Only reason I bring this up is because the auction mentions Peter Laidler in person.

Any comments regarding the rifle and/or going price? Would you repair the transit case or leave alone??

[mack]

Seems a fraction high for a sanded rifle with no matching scope case.

The badly rotted cases is no plus either.

I will add this though....I have a complete rifle kit, matching rifle with a good, clear scope and about 95% finish overall. I have been in possession of the rifle and accessories since about 1968 and it shoots much better than I can. All that said, I would be pretty hard pressed to accept that kind of money for a rifle that is rarer and in better condition than most of the other snipers I see offered on the market. What I am saying, is how many people own an honest-to-goodness Holland and Holland conversion from the Second World War in shootable condition and all the bits? Not many, that's how many. I enjoy it's beauty, history, accuracy and I love dragging that big ole box out to shoot it every so often.

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[spinecracker]

You lucky, luck, lucky bast...oh, children might be present. With my luck, the day I can afford to own such an example will be the day that there are none left in such good condition lol

[Amatikulu]

The seller of that rifle is actually a member of this site. Please keep that in mind when passing comment.

I've given up trying to establish "going" prices on these rare and highly desirable rifles. If it sells for the asking price the value of my collection just went up, again! :)

[spinecracker]

lol - save some for us newbie collectors :)

No wonder I'm having to work 2 jobs to pay for my hobby, and I still can't even afford bog-standard No.4s, let alone dream of owning a No.4T lol

[spinecracker]

The seller of that rifle is actually a member of this site. Please keep that in mind when passing comment.

I thought that might be the case. My main reasons in starting the thread were to alert any interested parties to the presence of the auction and to find out opinions regarding repairing or leaving alone the transit case. I hope that the seller gets the amount he wants. If I had the money I would pounce on the rifle, but alas I have a wife and 2 babies to feed :)

[limpetmine]

Looks like a matching scope, rifle and scope case to me. While the transit case may be on the rough side, it's nicer than the one not at my house! :rofl:
It's not the first rifle to be "freshened", either. I'll pass on comments about the price; except to say that links to live auctions I don't much care for.
Neither would you, if you were bidding on it!
my .02C



Seems a fraction high for a sanded rifle with no matching scope case.

The badly rotted cases is no plus either.


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[mack]

i meant no disrespect to the seller or his offering. The rifle looks fine and I am sure that someone expecting to get that much money for a rifle will not misrepresent it. It is what it is and it looks great to me.

I have not seen that many T rifles offered as a full kit. Seems they are worth more broken down and sold off as parts. That's also true of M1D and M1C rifles it seems.

My hat's off to the seller for making available a complete kit for some other collector to place in his collection. A darned hard item to find in that condition. I simply offered an opinion based on owning these for several decades.

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[limpetmine]

I'm sure you meant no dis on the fellow. I [think] what we might be see ing here is someone (YOU!) that doesn't have an appreciation for how much your kit and rifle has appreciated in the past few years! :dancingbanana:
( a poet who don't know it!)
Good for you, not so good for the new guy looking to fill a spot on the rack.
Unfortunately, sometimes the parts are worth more than the whole; and matching rifles and scopes don't seem to often get the premium that I think they should, over a mis match set. Good to know that you still shoot your rifle now and again. :)



i meant no disrespect to the seller or his offering. The rifle looks fine and I am sure that someone expecting to get that much money for a rifle will not misrepresent it. It is what it is and it looks great to me.

I have not seen that many T rifles offered as a full kit. Seems they are worth more broken down and sold off as parts. That's also true of M1D and M1C rifles it seems.

My hat's off to the seller for making available a complete kit for some other collector to place in his collection. A darned hard item to find in that condition. I simply offered an opinion based on owning these for several decades.

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[jmoore]

It actually appears to have rather less dramas than most No4(T)s that pop up on gunbroker. He also eliminates the mystery by bypassing the "reserve not met" annoyance. If he gets his price, well and good, but starting it this way will keep things calmer. The real problem lies with those who see one sale at an inflated price and reckon the whole market has shifted upwards!

[PrinzEugen]

It actually appears to have rather less dramas than most No4(T)s that pop up on gunbroker.

You mean like this one? :Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk I (T) Sniper Rifle : Curios and Relics at GunBroker.com
(http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=149536941)

"Overall condition of this rifle is very very good."

[jmoore]

Sadly enough, the rifle referred to in PrinzEugen's post is probably real. Its the reserve thing that I despise. Not that I buy hardy anything unseen, but I'm not gonna run the price up just to see how insane the seller is!

[rhodders]

The rifle looks ok and would seem to be correct, and as such the going price would be reasonable. The number of these rifles on the market in the condition it is are few and far between and as time goes on less and less will be up for sale. So if you want one ask good old Fr Chrismas to leave it under the tree.

rhodders

[jmoore]

Which rifle do you refer to rhodders? There's a wee bit of difference between 'em.

[PrinzEugen]

Yes I thought the one I linked to above looked real too jmoore - although you'd have to be looking through somewhat rose tinted spectacles to describe it as being in 'good condition'! (I particularly wondered how the front pad ended up like that)
The first rifle looks pretty good to me!

[rhodders]

Even with rose tinted specs the second one would be just as bad.
the first one of course is my preferance.

rhodders.

[Peter Laidler]

I just wish they wouldn't mention my name.

Actually, I like the comments by the Indian REME Armourer who, like me, just keeps the kit on the road, serviceable and ready, even if it sometimes looks a little bit down at heel. It reminds me of an old Land Rover I bought direct from the MoD about 16 or so years ago. It was a bit of a clunker and always looked like it could do with a lick of paint but jeeeeees, it was so reliable. A bit like our old No4's I suppose

[spinecracker]

Copyright your name, then at least you can make some money each time your name is mentioned or sue them for copyright infringement...:)

[PrinzEugen]

On the issue of the first (very nice indeed) 4t for sale (for my money the price is certainly not ott, for the uk at least) but just a query on the forend - the wood seems low to me around where the cutoff would have gone and I've seen it higher there too - would various stocks have been used in manufacture?

[jmoore]

The relief cut IS unusual on a 1945 vintage No4. Otherwise, the cutout looks OK.

The lightly sanded business suggests to me that this rifle MAY have been painted (camoflauged) at some point. If paint traces remain, I think it would be a bonus rather than a detractor! That's one thing I'd love to find- a bit tatty but unrebuilt No4(T). I'm afraid that's going to almost impossible.

[harry mac]

You lucky, luck, lucky bast...oh, children might be present. With my luck, the day I can afford to own such an example will be the day that there are none left in such good condition lol

In that case you need one of these

[Alan de Enfield]

In that case you need one of these

No5T's are even rarer than No4Ts !!!!

[harry mac]

No5T's are even rarer than No4Ts !!!!

In that case I'll inform the bits of muntjack in my freezer how privileged they should feel at being harvested with such a rarity:cheers: