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[riceone]

I have looked over the "read only" sites and find the information there very "canned." If you expect to see the Libary grow you will have to open it up for anyone to post and ask questions. I am a Japanese collector and like to promote Japanese collecting but you have the door closed. riceone.

[Claven2]

The MKL posts are certainly open to comment and addition. However, because in our experience if we blindly open it up, they rapidly become degraded with poor and even false information, all additions to those posts have to be vetted by the site admin.

For more info, please read this thread from the Q&A section :)

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=22

[Stevo]

riceone,
Members are free to comment and ask questions in the Library posts by sending their comments using the fill in box at the bottom of the "Virtual Tour" pages.

Discussion is best done in this forum, where it is immediately available and obvious to all members.

If you have rifles you wish to include in the Library, that will also help the forum grow. All submissions for the Library are posted by the milsurps.com team, to ensure uniformity and quality of the submissions.

[riceone]

I have a nice collection including some of the rare and very rare that I would like to display and make comments about. But, I don't feel like posting them and have someone edit them. Those who post off the wall stuff could and can be deleted by the moderator. I belong to a lot of boards and moderate two and the problem you are concered about is taken care of there without censerchip. riceone.

[Claven2]

No-one's talking about censorship. We don't edit the posts aside from spelling mistakes and formatting to keep things uniform. If there's something we're unsure of, we contact the poster and ask for clarification, that's it.

Posts from users are not generally the problem, it's more the people and reply with wisdom like "arisakas are bad rifles, they are unsafe and blow up because you can mistakenly load a .30-06 shell in them, my uncle told me so..." you get the idea.

If you look at the existing format in any of the MKL posting, (the Arisaka T99 we have posted is a good example) you'll have a general idea of the format that should be followed.

we are NOT in the business of censorship here.

[Dimitri]

Riceone,

You have nothing to worry about censorship here. None of the staff here are into that ;)

What you send them to post will go through a spell checker just to make sure and will get posted as long as its not "These guns suck I couldn't shoot a paper plate at 200 yards with one" sort of thing :)

Dimitri

[riceone]

I think ignorant statement like Arisaka's are dangers to shoot is an opportunity to educate. Here is an answer for that if you allow the posting.
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=108768
riceone

[Badger]

I have looked over the "read only" sites and find the information there very "canned." If you expect to see the Libary grow you will have to open it up for anyone to post and ask questions. I am a Japanese collector and like to promote Japanese collecting but you have the door closed. riceone.


I think ignorant statement like Arisaka's are dangers to shoot is an opportunity to educate. Here is an answer for that if you allow the posting.
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=108768
riceone

Hi ..... :)

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.....

I'm not sure you entirely understand the concept of the MKL, but let me try to explain it for everyone's benefit.

Most boards have a free-for-all process, where folks post a pic of their collector's piece and usually ask... "What do think of this?". This is usually followed by an endless stream of replies with comments ranging from some excellent expert analysis, to "it looks fake". In the end, the post wanders off the bottom of the page and a month later, you often see it cycle around again with comments from someone who missed some of the first round of disjointed or unfocused replies.

The MKL is designed to bring some order to the chaos in the way it approaches the display and discussion surrounding general milsurp collectors interests. We first select high quality examples of pieces vetted by our Advisory Council, then group them together by country so folks don't have to wade though a linear environment just to find the Canada material. Second, we generally use the same "canned" template for creating a standard "look and feel" to each post, which minimizes the time members need to spend searching through long multi-page threads for specific types of information.

For example, if I've seen a Canadian Long Branch sniper rifle for sale at a local gun show, or on an auction site, then I can go to the Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here) (http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10) and select the 1945 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch Sniper Rifle (click here) (http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=7) entry. I now have instant access to the "canned" information you refer to, such as lineage, specifications and manufacturing data, plus in this example a direct link off-site to a detailed photo montage of 106 high resolution photographs. These ImageEvent based pics provide individual details of markings and essentially what to look for in a "all correct" original piece. It helps people then compare a piece they are thinking about buying against a known reference piece, so they can acquire it with some level of confidence that it's not been tinkered with. If it has, then it helps them perhaps establish a fair valuation, in order to negotiate a better price.

The last thing a standard MKL entry has is the Collector's Comments and Feedback section at the bottom of each entry. This is where ANY member of milsurps.com is able to add their comments, or provide feedback about ANY entry that appears in the MKL. That's what it's designed for and they're even numbered in the sequence they're received. The reason that the MKL is READ ONLY is to provide a front end moderating and editing process, so the comments that are useless or irrelevant such as "it's a fake", or completely off topic where someone starts to discuss their dog pics, never end up distracting from the purpose of MKL entry.

Having said all of that, if anyone wants to start a thread in this standard Read/Write linear based Milsurps General Discussion Forum, to stimulate discussion about any piece displayed in the MKL, then go for it. That's the ideal venue for this type of discussion and it creates a Petri dish environment, out of which some posts will make for excellent permanent Collector's Comments and Feedback for the piece under discussion. Of course, as with most general boards, there will also be a lot of stuff that doesn't merit making it that far, but the overall process will still bring the order to the chaos I mentioned earlier.

In any event riceone, it sounds like you have a wonderful Japanese collection, combined with some terrific expertise in that genre, so I would venture to guess that our membership would love to see your collection in the Japanese section, combined with your "canned" Observations on what to look for. If you, or any other member, wanted to submit some of your treasured pieces to share UNCENSORED knowledge with other collectors, the process of "How do I get my article, collectible firearm or accessory published in the Library?" may be found (CLICK HERE) (http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=22).

The format we've chosen to implement on MILSURPS.COM may not be everyone's cup of tea, so for that, we do apologize. As we grow, we will modify and adapt changes to try and meet as many needs as possible. Robert Kennedy once said, "10% of people will never agree with anything", so if we can get down to that ten percent level, I think it will probably mean we're doing a pretty reasonable job. :D

Thanks again for the feedback.....

Regards,
Badger (Doug)

[Skippy]

I think ignorant statement like Arisaka's are dangers to shoot is an opportunity to educate. Here is an answer for that if you allow the posting.
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=108768
riceone

Riceone,
Are you the original poster in the Gunboards Arisaka experiment?
If not, the original poster should be contacted and this experiment should be catalogued in the forum for reloaders.
If we could get a hold of Andy from CGN as well, we could include his Carcano experiment.

[Claven2]

Andy is a member here, perhaps he will volunteer it...?

[riceone]

I am the one who did the experimetn. O3 Man is a friend of mine who did the posting. That site is a sticky on two other boards. riceone.

[Claven2]

riceone,

I am not sure if you would be so inclined, but you seem to have valuable material to contribute. If you're concerned about the process, why not try it with one MKL entry. If it isn;t managed to your satisfaction, then you can make an informed decision not to participate.

As I've said above, you won't find censorship here unless it's warranted by a member breaking the board rules. As an example, making a gratuitous racist comment would warrant some moderator editing, but I doubt that would happen in a legitimate MKL submission.

[Andy]

Andy is a member here, perhaps he will volunteer it...?

Be happy to.

My Pet Milsurp Peeve is "Milsurp Myths" and the one that Carcanos are dangerous and should not be shot lead to my attempt to blow one up. I failed. Even a full case of Unique over a magnum primer did nothing more than blow the cartridge casehead to pieces and damage the extractor - and in a dreaded Cooey (aka Eatons) Carcano. Lots of fun.

Anyways if it seem fitting, I'll move my "experiment" posting over here.

[Claven2]

By all means Andy, we'd love to see it here :)

[Badger]

Be happy to.


Anyways if it seem fitting, I'll move my "experiment" posting over here.


Andy.... :)

If you want, email it to me and I'll beautify it as an MKL entry,a s well as as add it to the library .....

Thanks ...:thup:

Regards,
Badger