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09-16-2011, 10:28 AM
I joined the ross club and bought a 1905 from a guy here in town. The rifle is pretty ruff im going to reblue everything and probly have to make my own stock unless someone has a spare, the old one is junk. I have a few questions there is a whole in the front of the trigger guard going up into the action. In other pictures I see a lever in this hole so what am I missing. Also my sights are just a fron blade in a shield and a circl to look through on the bolt, I dont think this is rite I will try to put up pictures.
09-16-2011, 10:42 AM
09-17-2011, 05:23 PM
File off the home made aperture sight and it would look nice with case colours on the bolt sleeve and trigger guard and fire blue on the extractor as in days of yore.
A lot of fine handwork with the emery stick first to clean things up of course!
Looks like you may need a firing pin too!
Welcome to the club though.;)
09-17-2011, 06:34 PM
The firing pin looks good. Im planning on grinding off the aperture sight and once the rifle is bare I might paint it with that stuff from brownells cant remember the name but it looks nice. Does anyone have the correct sights I could possibly pry out of your hands. Im glad to join the club the design of this rifle is sweet.
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Aluma Hyde II was the stuff I was thinking of I guess in eithe matte black or semi gloss probly the matte. What is this rifle worth, you will never guess what I paid for it. There is what I believe to be an original all leather sling with it to any tips for rehydrating old leather.
09-18-2011, 01:02 AM
Don't paint it is my advice. Either just touch up with a little cold blue or clean well and leave alone.
"Easy Off" will get all the crud off and allow you to see what the finish is really like.
Then dry with heat and oil if you're not going to reblue.
But that's just my advice.
You paid $25.?
09-18-2011, 11:32 AM
I did clean it up and there is no finish left like someone stripped it at one time
09-27-2011, 12:57 AM
Birchwood Casey Perma-Blue Paste works pretty good, actually matches in with any original finish on anything I have tried it on. Just clean the metal really well, degrease with a rag with a spot of acetone or white gas (Coleman fuel) and apply the bluing paste immediately with a clean patch. Top up as necessary and work the patch along the metal surface, rubbing to apply hand-heat, which makes it blue the metal more evenly and deeper. When you have he metal the colour you want it (which could ake everal treatments), wash it down with WATER, dry carefully with a cloth, rub down lightly ith more white gas or acetone and oil it lightly.
The HOLE in the triggerguard is for the Magazine Cutoff. The rifle will work fine without one.
Was the rifle FUNCTIONAL when you got it? Reason I ask is because the firing-pin doesn't show in your bolt photo; it looks as if you don't have a pin. Or else you don't have the little barrel-pin which holds it in place. Really hope you have her all.
Yeah, that stock has definitely seen better days. That's the bad part. The good part is that it IS repairable.
Sorry, but there have been no spare parts for this model since about 1913.
How long is your barrel? Important. Measure with the bolt closed, using a cleaning-rod down the muzzle.
IS that aperture sight built-up, or is it ATTACHED? It looks to have tiny screws or rivets holding it in place. I have a rifle here with an ADJUSTABLE aperture sight on the bolt, and good workmanship to boot. That sight looks well-made. IF the barrel has been docked, you will NEVER get a replacement, so you might not want to remove that sight too quickly. friend. One thing about aperture sights is that they are wickedly accurate as compared to the open sights which were standard.
Do you have a MANUAL? You can download one FREE with from this page!
The more WE know about the rifle, the better we can help you to put her back where she belongs:on the range or in the field.
So.... Welcome to the Wonderful World of ROSS RIFLES!
Hope this helps.
09-27-2011, 10:25 PM
Smellie I thank you for the advice. I have repaired the stock to the best of my workmanship and it looks good. The firing pin is a thread on type and for some reason was not screwed in. My barrel looks to be one of the ones that the U.S. armorers set back two threads. For sights I am going to try and find some reciever mounted sights along the lines of the Canada Tool and Specialty Co. that was posted a few days ago. The aperature on the back of my bolt is attached with by the looks of it solder. The aperature is actually a threaded piece of metal that would except about a 1/4 inch bolt. When you look the aperature your looking at an area about the size of a basketball by the end of barrel. What parts do I need to replace the magazine cuttoff and the pawl. I found magazine cuttoffs at numrichs but they only have the trigger and are sold out of the springs where could I find one of these.
09-28-2011, 05:07 AM
We used some pretty gigantic apertures on some of the Number 4s and still hit 18-inch bulls at 600 yards with issue ammo.
Thing about aperture sights is that they are easy to look through. That is important. You sight and shoot with both eyes open, no squinting. It's very easy. Your EYE will automatically look through the centre of the aperture, so all YOU have to do is put the front sight where the bullet is to go. Download yourself a copy of SHOOT TO LIVE from the MKL on this site. It came out in 1944 and it is STILL the best book on shooting military rifles with iron aperture sights.
Chck the barrel length before you start looking for a sight. That's important, too, so we know WHICH sight to look for. There are more than just a few of them.
Threaded firing-pin: VERY early. I have one on a sportered rifle I have here; the stock is marked prominently, "1906".
PARTS for these old ones can be very hard to find. The good part is that there ARE a few people who have some. With luck, one might pop up here and let you know. If it were my rifle, I would PM Wheaty and ask if he could help. He knows a lot of Ross people and he is in a part of Canada with a lot more collectors than out here in the boonies.
There is another thread on the go right now about a 1905 Ross. Fellow has a problem with csings coming out 'way oversized. This is common especially on the very early 1905s. See his thread: there IS a cure for the problem.... and it's cheaper than you might think.
09-29-2011, 01:02 AM
Ok here is what I have with the bolt closed I inserted a measuring rod and the barrel is 24 inches on the nose. These are the other markings in the pictures I believe that is a 35Q under the flags on the bolt. As you can see my barrel has been set back. I have seen pictures of using redfield reciever sights but where do you tap holes into the side of the reciever.271872718827189271902719127192
09-29-2011, 10:03 AM
What makes you think an American weapon tech set the barrel back? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't waste time on it. That's something the civilian world would do. We've even discussed that on this forum not long ago. It would give you a much better chamber but may buy you into a whole different set of minor difficulties.
09-29-2011, 11:53 PM
I have just heard through reading these forums that a lot of these guns were set back like this when they crossed the border.
09-30-2011, 08:24 AM
The set back in the US is mentionned in The Ross Rifle Story.
No doubt a way of dealing with the LC chamber.
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