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    Gunshow score? "jungle carbine" Number 5 Mk1

    Caught this one slung on the sholder of a young fellow at the gun show today while looking for a K98K. I removed the Bubba scope / mount and the cammo sling before I took the photos (did not want to subject the rest of you to my pain). Any thoughts on the best method for repairing the bubba holes? This seems to be a nice piece otherwise Bore wood and metal all look pretty nice. Any one have any thoughts about the value (want to know if I took a beating)?
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    I can only suggest either screwing the screws in and cutting off flush and shaping, or screwing the cut down screws in slightly lower than the surface and placing a small weld on top and then shaping. Not to much heat though as you dont want to distort the body.

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    But just make sure that the screws you screw into the breeching up ring don't go through the body and into the barrel ot you will never unscrew the barrel. If it were me, I'd put a small copper disc into the bottom of the two breeching up ring holes and get a decent mig or tig welder to just tig over the holes that look as though they're countersunk anyway. But you will always see the repair even in the phosphate finish - unless you paint it again afterwards

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    I'd concur with Brit Plumber & Peter. I acquired one that had exactly the same type of holes in it about 18 months ago. Mine was a 2/45 Faz & had also had the flash eliminator removed, the forend carved up & the handguard so heavily sanded it was only fit for firewood. You often see Enfields with holes like this because they've been fitted with Parker Hale or other similar commercial scope mount blocks in the UKicon post-War. I fitted replacement screws as described by Brit Plumber (though being careful to make sure they stopped shallow enough to avoid fouling the barrel threads, & then gently puddled them over with weld. I struck the surface over & then sandblasted, re-parkerized & suncorited the lot; also re-fitting a replacement flash eliminator & making a replacement walnut forend from that of a No4. It looked great & true to its origins -- one of those jobs you can feel satisfied over once you see the finished restored project.
    Mind you, the expert will no doubt spot the replacement forend due to the minor variation in shape around the area where the cut-off block is on a No4 & isn't on a No5, but what do you do when you haven't got a genuine No5 forend to use.......extemporise!

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    Thanks for the quick replys. I have a competent gun smith that I have once once over/ck headspace on each rifle I purchase that I think can repair as you suggest. Another question. I noticed a similar apperaring number 5 JC on Gunbroker that made mention of the possibility it was a "Kyber Pass" knock off. Any pointers on determining if mine is one of these? The workmanship looks Brit to me but the condition does seem rather good for a weapon of this age. Any one have any knowledge of the history of these after they wer de commisioned? No import marks are presant.I could provide more photos if that could help.

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    I don't profess to be any kind of expert on No5's, but yours looks honest enough to me.... It just needs a little TLC (& a replacement rear sight).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Payneicon View Post
    I don't profess to be any kind of expert on No5's, but yours looks honest enough to me.... It just needs a little TLC (& a replacement rear sight).

    ATB
    I did a bit of googiling last nite read up and examined some photos of the knock offs vs originals and verified the serial number with those with similar production dates and my fears have been put to rest. I am still curious if someone could shed some light on the imprtation of these to the US.
    Thanks

    ---------- Post added at 10:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 AM ----------

    I forgot to mention the previous owner is in possetion of the original sight which I hope to pick up from him today.
    P.S. You Brits make some fine weapons. This Number 5 along with my 1918 Number 1 mkIII* are two of the crown jewels of my collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Payneicon View Post
    I don't profess to be any kind of expert on No5's, but yours looks honest enough to me.... It just needs a little TLC (& a replacement rear sight).

    ATB
    And someone was selling NOS backsights on eBay.co.uk within the last year. Lots of them.
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