Finnish m/27 trainer, new to teh collection

[awo425]

This is my first post here.
I am a collector of milsups and specialized in finnish guns :yikes:

Two days ago the nordic gods smiled at me and showed me the way to a nice(and rare) m/27 trainer rifle:

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2711/resizeofm2722lrtrainer1cx0.jpg

Around 1400 made from 1932 till 1940.
Most of them are in finnish collections and seldom to be found outside of Finland.
This winter I was able to inspect 2 such traines in private collections in Finland, two in m/27 configuration and one(even rarer) in m/91 configuration.

Chris

[Oatmeal Savage]

Beautiful rifle!

[awo425]

100m target shot this morning, not too bad with teperatures around 0°C


http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6440/resizeof100mrwspistolyh6.jpg

[Claven2]

Great find!! Wish I had one!

[happydude]

Beautiful!

[Adolf Galland]

Very Nice,Thanks for the pictures

[Pete04]

Thanks for sharing. Great pics! Great find!

[sdh1911]

I couldn't get groups like that at "0" degrees if I was sedated. I normally do pretty well with the open sights, but, that is truly outstanding. By the way, I have a model 28 that looks exactly like your rifle, hmm, I gotta check the number on my end:super:

[awo425]

You are right, the trainer looks like m/28, because it it has m/28(made from NEW m/91) stock and bands.
I don't knwo why it was stocked that way, but it has no Civil Guard stamps anywhere. Maybe it was restocked later, but I can see no evidence at the frontsightbase for resoldering. And it would have to be removed, to get the m/28 upper band on.
Left over m/28 stock from previus m/28 produktion at Tikkakoski???
We will never know for sure.

But I've got a line on a 1935 made TOZ 8 trainer, let's see, if it works out:cool:

Than we can have a rangetest with both trainers here.

Chris

[awo425]

Here is the barreled action:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9594/resizeofbarreledactionjj2.jpg

[sdh1911]

I to collect the Finns and am presently drooling on my key board, looking for a house in New Jersey, complete with kids and 3 cats? Gladly trade-SDH

[awo425]

Got a whole farm, one kid and 5 cats already :D

Gotta correct the production numbers, exactly 547 m/27 trainers made, 200 in 1936 and 347 in 1938.
Some of teh trainers were chamberes for .22short, but numbers anre not documented. The 1938 made rifles have a .22lr cartridge shape engraved to teh top flat of teh action.
There were around 2500 m/91 trainers made, and early series in AV1 and the later ones by Tikkakoski.

[Claven2]

Left over m/28 stock from previus m/28 produktion at Tikkakoski???


Chris, I doubt that. All M28's were made at Suojeluskuntain Ase-ja Konepaja Osakeyhtiö. The only connection Tikka has is that 13,061 M28 barrels were made by Tikka and used in assembly at the other factory.

All M28's were stocked with modified one piece Russian M91 stocks that underwent conversion and were inspected and accepted by the Civil Guard workshop Suojeluskuntain Ase-ja Konepaja Osakeyhtiö (the fore-runner to SAKO). These original M28 stocks will all have an SYT cartouche surrounded by an oval in a finger groove on the side of the stock. You might want to look and see if that cartouche is present on your stock, if not, it's not a real M28 stock.

For reference, we have a library entry on the M28 here:
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=909

[awo425]

No SY stampe anywere, but the stock was converted in m/28 fassion, because the thicker screws for the bands of the m/27 early configuration do not fit.
Let's see what I can find out next month, when I am in Finland, a buddy there has two m/27 trainers and another a m/91. There are also trainers in m/28-30 configuration.
I will try to talk to Mr. Palokangas too.

Chris