What is your dream milsurp?

[Oatmeal Savage]

What is your dream milsurp? Boys Mk1 Anti-tank Rifle

Calibre:.55 SAA Boys
Length:1614mm
Weight:16.32kg
Magazine Capacity:5 rounds
Rate of Fire:Bolt Action
Muzzle Velocity:990mps
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9107/boyes3ag9.jpg

[Claven2]

Finnish L-39 Lahti 20mm anti-tank rifle :)

http://www.obscure-reference.com/guns/berloque/berloque_lahti_1.jpg

[markw76]

.50 M2, probably modified for semi-auto. Or maybe just an FN-FAL or variant.

[Dimitri]

Sgt. H. A. Marshal's (of the Calgary Highlanders) Longbranch No.4 (T). :dancingbanana:

Failing that any reasonably priced WW2 issued Longbranch No.4 (T) would do. ;)

Dimitri

[Andy]

Swedish m/40 rifle.

[Son]

I'm with Oatmeal Savage on this one! Would dearly love to have a Boys rifle, and believe it or not, there isn't any laws against me having one. I know where there are a couple (not for sale of course) and they do come up occasionally from around the AU$3000 to $4000 mark. Get a load of the size of these things. I'd have to put wheels on the bipod and a tow hitch on the butt!

[stencollector]

I have my 3 dream milsurps. Theres the Boys, rebarrelled to .50, the LB atching 4T, and the semi auto (restricted only) Sterling police carbine. About the only thing I could upgrade to is an Inglis Boys.
If there is one thing missing, it would be a semi-auto Bren. I'm hoping someone in the US makes an all new receiver that can pass Canada's Converted auto rules before our gunlaws get any worse.

A Boys rifle at $3000 to $4000 would be considered a bargain around here. A bud of mine paid $7000 for an unremarkable one last year.

[Lee Enfield]

Sgt. H. A. Marshal's (of the Calgary Highlanders) Longbranch No.4 (T). :dancingbanana:

Failing that any reasonably priced WW2 issued Longbranch No.4 (T) would do. ;)

Dimitri

In all of the pictures I've seen, Marshal is clearly NOT using a LongBranch T.

You can see the bolt release in some pics, and others show the brit/savage relief area around the forward pad.

Few LB Ts made it into the ETO defore VE Day. I've never seen an identifiable pic of a LB T in the ETO.

My "dream" production milsurp is a No4MkI*(T) w/C.No67.

Someday I'll beat that other guy to the draw....

[Sidvicious]

For me it would be a mint Madsen Rifle in 30-06-but I don't know if it qualifies:confused:

[Dimitri]

In all of the pictures I've seen, Marshal is clearly NOT using a LongBranch T.

You can see the bolt release in some pics, and others show the brit/savage relief area around the forward pad.

Oh thought it was a Longbranch. I couldn't tell the difference unless I read a Enfield and it said "Longbranch" or something else on it though. :runaway:

Well then I want what ever British No.4 (T) he had. :p

Dimitri

[oozlefinch]

The Mannlicher-Schoenauer Model 03/14 I had back in the '50s and '60s remains my favorite military surplus rifle. "As issued" it was accurate, with an acceptable trigger. I only had 40 cartridges for it, and re-loaded them way too many times. I wish I had one today, but the going price is well beyond my limits.

[jjwelin]

Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1*T

Or a FNC1A1

[Claven2]

Actually, my CURRENT dream rifles (ie, a rifle I can actually hope to get within a year or so as opposed to a pipe dream rifle) are:

1) Finn M28/30
2) Finn M39 Sako straight stock, 1941.
3) Tikka M91/30

Sadly, these are FAR from common rifles in Canada - much easier to locate stateside.

[Stevo]

I own my dream milsurp(s), they just won't let me shoot them.:banghead:

Wouldn't mind a CA MG-42 though.

[Claven2]

Well No.2 on my list might come to fruition within the next month... stay tuned :)

I also wouldn't mind and affordable PTRS in 14.5mm... though I don't know where I'd be able to shoot it.

[Cantom]

(Stencollector said) <If there is one thing missing, it would be a semi-auto Bren. I'm hoping someone in the US makes an all new receiver that can pass Canada's Converted auto rules before our gun laws get any worse.>

Just saw this...
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118936

...and then noticed that you were already in that thread...

[Stevo]

There's no reason one of those semi Brens shouldn't be legal here. Keep in mind it's basically an all new reciever built to satisfy BATF regs. It's not a Bren, per se, it just looks like one and uses many Bren parts.

$3k US would end up being $5k Can. by the time you imported one and figure in the exchange. Plus, someone has to be the one to send theirs to the RCMP for approval.

[Claven2]

One would think a dealer would step up to the plate ;)

Also, a verifyer should call the CFC and see if it isn't already in the FRT. Someone not on the forums could already have spared you the pain ;)

[Cantom]

There's no reason one of those semi Brens shouldn't be legal here. Keep in mind it's basically an all new reciever built to satisfy BATF regs. It's not a Bren, per se, it just looks like one and uses many Bren parts.

$3k US would end up being $5k Can. by the time you imported one and figure in the exchange. Plus, someone has to be the one to send theirs to the RCMP for approval.

$3000usd times 1.16= $3480 plus shipping. Our dollar's a whole lot better than it was when we had to pay 1.6395 for one USD.

If the receiver's brand new, not a reweld it would probably be importable...

[Stevo]

$3000usd times 1.16= $3480 plus shipping. Our dollar's a whole lot better than it was when we had to pay 1.6395 for one USD.

If the receiver's brand new, not a reweld it would probably be importable...

Plus importation and brokerage fees, and the shipping would be considerable. I'd consider $4500 to be a minimum expected cost.

[tiriaq]

It strikes me that it would be easier and simpler if a tech. from the RCMP Lab. just made a business visit to the manufacturer. Then they could really determine exactly what was being done, and how. Of course, this would require a certain degree of cooperation, support, etc. from the powers that be. A one time expenditure of a couple of thousand dollars could result in all the products of a given manufacturer being given FRT numbers and clearance for importation. Might not be a bad investment on the part of an importer or group of potential buyers.
Another option, if the manufacturer would agree (probably unlikely), would be to only import the new receiver, and semi auto parts unique to the new design. The unaltered Bren parts already in Canada could be used to assemble the gun. An owner of a registered Bren might find this option particularly appealing.

[sdh1911]

One of the rifles used by Carlos Hatcock-SDH

[Claven2]

Given that Marstar already has lots of Bren kits, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were not already exploring these options... ;)

[stencollector]

If the receiver's brand new, not a reweld it would probably be importable...

Bad news guys. I got info today that the receivers in question on the other thread are in fact rewelds. Oh well, back to the wishing well for another try.

[Klunk]

Bad news guys. I got info today that the receivers in question on the other thread are in fact rewelds. Oh well, back to the wishing well for another try.

I thought that would automatically make them 'machine guns' in the US???:confused:

DOnt they HAVE to have a new made reciever to be considered legit, non classIII guns?

WHat about the RP whatchamacalit with the pan?
Or the semi only PPSh
Or the semi only PK (Yum)
Or the semi only RPD (double yum)

[Brewster]

Dream gun....

Winchester or SA Garand. Serial number 2.

[Dimitri]

I thought that would automatically make them 'machine guns' in the US???:confused:

DOnt they HAVE to have a new made reciever to be considered legit, non classIII guns?

WHat about the RP whatchamacalit with the pan?
Or the semi only PPSh
Or the semi only PK (Yum)
Or the semi only RPD (double yum)

Klunk,

The ATF considers the Mag well the "receiver" so they can reweld them all they want with new magwells. While in Canada ANY part of the reciever would be considered a Converted Auto if I understand correctly. :(

Dimitri

[Stevo]

I don't know about that Dimitri. When the receiver is cut, it ceases to be a Bren receiver. When the new gun is assembled, they're just parts used in the manufacture. Who knows though.:dunno:

It's quite a ridiculous situation. In the Czech Republic two (2) different manufacturers just happen to find hundreds of receivers for select fire rifles and "newly build" up two different rifles, the VZ58S and CZ858. These receivers are exactly the same as the select fire VZ58 with minor mods. This is all perfectly okay somehow because the receivers were never part of complete rifles (which I don't believe for a minute).:rolleyes:

What we need to do is find Bren receivers that were never assembled into complete MG's. Then, as per the VZ/CZ, they would just need trigger group mods to make them perfectly legal. Of course, they'd be virtually identical to the CA Brens that no one can shoot, but through the amazing power of semantics, they'd be legal.

[Dimitri]

Stevo,

Perhaps your right. I don't really know the technical aspects of the laws much. :)

Dimitri

[Claven2]

I don't know about that Dimitri. When the receiver is cut, it ceases to be a Bren receiver. When the new gun is assembled, they're just parts used in the manufacture. Who knows though.:dunno:

It's quite a ridiculous situation. In the Czech Republic two (2) different manufacturers just happen to find hundreds of receivers for select fire rifles and "newly build" up two different rifles, the VZ58S and CZ858. These receivers are exactly the same as the select fire VZ58 with minor mods. This is all perfectly okay somehow because the receivers were never part of complete rifles (which I don't believe for a minute).:rolleyes:

What we need to do is find Bren receivers that were never assembled into complete MG's. Then, as per the VZ/CZ, they would just need trigger group mods to make them perfectly legal. Of course, they'd be virtually identical to the CA Brens that no one can shoot, but through the amazing power of semantics, they'd be legal.


Well, considering the same Czech factories that make the VZ58 also made the ZB-37 (ie, Czech precursor to the Bren), that's not entirely outside the realm of possibility. Maybe the RCMP lab would buy the same fishing story twice??? :D

PS: I LOVE my C/A VZ.... :thup:

[Stevo]

Oh my, an area where I know more than Claven!:thup:

ZB37:

http://www.weaponeer.net/photos/pictures/zb37-1.jpg

The Bren's were derived from the ZB26/30 family of LMG's. And the ZB30J was in .303 also.

ZB26:

http://www.bvs.cz/images/CZ_26_792.jpg

[Claven2]

My bad! I had the two mixed up! But my basic point remains unchanged...

[Stevo]

My bad! I had the two mixed up! But my basic point remains unchanged...

And given the RCMP's logic regarding the VZ/CZ's, any "found" receivers should be fine as the basis of legal semi-only LMG's. This should apply to any "never-assembled" select fire receivers. Of course, that would be expecting common sense and consistency regarding firearms in Canada.:bash:

[tiriaq]

I can remember brand new, never assembled as a firearm LB Mk. II Sten main casings being sold as spare parts for $15.

[Klunk]

PS: I LOVE my C/A VZ.... :thup:


Uhhh...which/what ZB/VZ do you have???

Pictures damnit....PICTURES:bash:

[Claven2]

Uhhh...which/what ZB/VZ do you have???

Pictures damnit....PICTURES:bash:

I was being facetious... I'm referring to my VZ-58S which was "never assembled into a rifle" in Czechoslovakia. Yeah... sure it wasn't. The military just proof fired unassembled receivers, serialized them, stamped them with proof firing marks, acceptance stamps, etc. and then kept thousands lying around never assembled during the cold war.

Perfectly plausible.

But it the Czech gov't swears an oath that it was an unfinished receiver, well that's good enough for the Liberal dominated RCMP. Wankers.

Not that I'm complaining, but it shows the hypocrisy...

[Son]

On the topic of Brens, I dug up some pics from an excursion to a certain museum storeroom a couple of years back. Here's a rack of over 30 Brens from several different countries/ makers. If I remember correctly, they were in cal .303, 7.62, and 8mm.....may have been another, cannot remember....
Oh, we got to play with any toys in the room.... probably the closest I'll ever get to owning or firing a Bren....

[Claven2]

Yeah, I've fondled many a live Bren myself... sadly I'll never be able to own one unless there are drastic political changes here in the People's Republik of Kannuckistan... :(

It could be worse though... dewats could be banned as well!

[sdh1911]

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to move 30 miles west to the state of Pennsylvania, where one is still trusted with full autos. Here in the state of New Jersey a bayonet lug on an AR 15 is worth $7,500.00 fine and a few years in the local penal facility. SDH

[Riflechair]

The ever ellusive No4Mk1T
These are pretty much completely unaffordable.

[Cantom]

The ever ellusive No4Mk1T
These are pretty much completely unaffordable.

That's why I'm dummying up a faux T...only way to be able to afford one...

[Simonova]

A Mauser K98 in 8 mm....a bolt action rifle that I can actually operate! I already have a Russian SKS. Wouldn't mind a Ljungman but they're so front heavy.

[Alonzo]

The All time best MilSurps..The M-1 Garand, followed closely by the M1903 Springfield, pre 1918 vintage.Can't forget the M1898 Krag, the smoothest bolt action around.
Cheers

[lchas]

For me it would be a mint Madsen Rifle in 30-06-but I don't know if it qualifies:confused:

Sid, I am new to this, dont even know if you will get this, If you do send me an e-mail to lchas_lin@yahoo.com I think I can fix you up. It is minus bayonet though.

[Bill Hollinger]

http://a10.idata.over-blog.com/500x333/0/39/65/84/may-2008/2-copie-1.jpg :super:

[limpetmine]

Enfields are just like chips, you can't have just one. And I can't just have "one" favorite to hunt for. Here's mine in semi-order
Long Branch 0L1
The last Long Branch 96L00XX what ever number that might be.
No. 4 Mk1 (T) (Long Branch) with No. 67 Scope, can and transit case.
. . . . .. . . . . (Ok, Ok, but you did say [dream] piece, right?. . . . . . . .
L-42A1 with matching WWII converted scope;
Trials No. 4 (T or not)
Envoy
Centaur
L8A3 on a Long Branch body
De Lisle carbine
A shipping container of fresh .303 on chargers, 400 to the can :D

[cafdfw]

A German MP-38.
Not one of those junky MP-40's. Wouldn't be seen with one. ;)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/cafdfw/mp38-1.jpg

[gunner]

This is my favorite one " Fallschirmjäger Gewehr 42" , i like it and hopefully someday i can buy one. An original one costs $ 11.000!!!

Regards

Gunner

[campperrykid]

One impossible dream : I'd like to get back the first "pre-ban " rifle that I ever owned . It was a #4 Enfield , still in the FTR grease when I got it. I sold it years later , cleaned up --but still in as issued condition. It must have come to the US just before GCA 68 banned military rifle imports.
The second impossible dream , turned into reality: I wanted a VZ58 and had completely given up hope . The OOW US builds were too spendy and the Canadian VZ58's couldn't be imported. The almost 2 years ago the AK forum (.net) started a double group buy: 2 different companies a few months apart.

Well, considering the same Czech factories that make the VZ58 also made the ZB-37 (ie, Czech precursor to the Bren), that's not entirely outside the realm of possibility. Maybe the RCMP lab would buy the same fishing story twice??? :D

PS: I LOVE my C/A VZ.... :thup:

I coveted one of those for a long time.
The Canadians can get some goodies that we can't. And vise versa. I still want an Italian made Garand with the Dane crest.

[gunner]

I have one more. But for that i need Harlan`s help. I love that warbird but i am not a pilot!!! :crying:

Regards

Gunner

[limazulu]

I would like to have an old hand cranked Gatling Gun from the 1860's.

If I'm going to dream, I might as well dream the impossible.

[192ndkid]

It would have to be a Johnson Semi Automatic Rifle since it would round out my American WWII collection

http://i404.photobucket.com/albums/pp126/192ndkid/pix58238859.jpg

[Wullie]

If we're dreaming, I'd give my left one to own one of these.
http://cdn.fotocommunity.com/Luft-und-Raumfahrt/Oldtimer-Flugzeuge/Bf-109-Rote-7-a17813486.jpg

They ain't exactly "milsurp" though.

I've flown some neat old stuff in my day, but NOTHING with a power to weight ratio like a WWII piston engined fighter.

[Kragnut]

With the beautiful blue finish and long flash suppressor. Or Teddy Roosevelts krag carbine that he carried up Kettle Hill.

http://files.uzitalk.com/images/usma/museum/bar-01.jpg

[Dave Waits]

Either one of the first 100 SA Gastraps or a TRW M14.

[arado]

My dream milsurp was for many years an FG42.. never fulfilled. I have now the one that makes me content The Sastava M76. 7.92x57 Not surplus but the most effective rifle I have handled. Current issue Balkans. Gary ps, I also love the FAL.7.62x51. which should have been 7x49.

[three0three]

My dream milsurp would be the M1-carbine or the pepesha carried by my wifes grandfather in Korea. Good man

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae156/milsurpguy1917/001.jpg

[Alonzo]

Every Springfield Armory Firearm I sold in the last ten years...all were pre 1900.

[dastier]

My dream milsurps in no particular order:

Thompson submachinegun like my dad used in WW2 - prohibited here; Sterling Police Carbine 9mm semi submachinegun - not prohibited here but expensive, closest I'll come to what I carried in the Reserves; FNC2A1 - Canadian squad automatic from the 60's and 70's - 30 round mag fed, bipod - I was the C2 man during my basic - again prohibited here.

And the last two - legal but good luck finding or affording one: Finnish M39 SOV sniper and Polish Model 1918 BAR in 7.92mm.

[Randy A]

Thompson SMG
Lewis MG in 30-06
BAR
MG42
Johnson Auto

[Dan Wilson]

All of the converted Brens are actually using original Bren receivers that are welded back and converted to satisfy the gestapo at the BATF, one of my bud's, Pirate, down in Miami is one of the builders for these receivers. He also sells the jigs for rebuild of the receivers.
Stan's site (Pirate)
Bren (http://www.projectguns.com/bren.html)

Wiselite is the other re-manufacturer of the Bren and they also re-utilize the demilled receiver.
Bren~Build services - www.wlarms.com (http://www.wiselitearms.net/25.html)

Whatever happened with the gestapo's OAMGAAMG, guess they pick and chose as they like.

My dream milsurp would be a mint trapdoor http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/FTFFTW/smileys/16951.gif ahhhh a nice 45-70 thumper!!

Dan

[garyhan]

A Mexican M1954 .30-06 Mauser-Sprinfield hybrid.
A russian issue Winchester 95.
A Papa Nambu with shoulder stock.

All mint condition of course.

gary

[roy45]

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to move 30 miles west to the state of Pennsylvania, where one is still trusted with full autos. Here in the state of New Jersey a bayonet lug on an AR 15 is worth $7,500.00 fine and a few years in the local penal facility. SDH

New Jersey is just trying to prevent drive-by bayonet attacks.......
A great danger in places not protected by such laws.......:lol:
I'll add a few not yet mentioned: Federov Avtomat, MAS M1918, Simonov 1936, M1907 Mosin carbine, Finnish M91 Rv, PE and PEM Mosin Snipers, North Korean and NVA SKS, Early Soviet AK.
I don't remember if anyone mentioned the US Springfield and Garand sniper models, but one of each, please......