What's the best stain for wood before Linseed oil is applied?

[louthepou]

Hi everyone,

Trying to figure out what best off the shelf product could be used to stain used Lee Enfield wood.

Reason is: when I get used stocks, even if all parts are the same type of wood, often the colour between all the parts isn't the same; so a little bit of staining would make things look better.

But, I find that linseed oil doesn't like all types of stains.

I was thinking of trying, next, to locate a type of stain from Cabot, which is tung oil-based. Any thoughts?

Lou

[Schmidlin]

i just used some murphys furniture oil on my used Enfield. Seems to work pretty good. And the gun just sucked it right up.

[juanvaldez]

Hi everyone,

Trying to figure out what best off the shelf product could be used to stain used Lee Enfield wood.

Reason is: when I get used stocks, even if all parts are the same type of wood, often the colour between all the parts isn't the same; so a little bit of staining would make things look better.

But, I find that linseed oil doesn't like all types of stains.

I was thinking of trying, next, to locate a type of stain from Cabot, which is tung oil-based. Any thoughts?

Lou

An alcohol or glycol bases stain really penetrates well and I suspect would do what you want. I like laurel mountain forge stains. I have finished several muzzleloaders with LMF and then used blo over them with great success.

[scrmblerkari]

I have used for years a product called "Fiebing's Leather Dye", in various shades of brown. It is available through the mail from Tandy Leather, and it
gives a lovely deep color to the wood. You can control the color by how quickly you wipe it off, and how many coats you apply. I have used medium brown, chocolate and dark brown. For god's sake don't spill it on your wife's kitchen table, you will be sleeping in the garage for a LONG time! I am not sure, because it doesn't say, but I believe it is in the family of aniline dyes.
scrmblerkari

[MasterChief]

What he said about leather dyes.

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This wood was totally stripped and bleached to the color of driftwood, then recolored with Buckskin (yellow) and British Tan (red). Final finish of Tung Oil Finish and BLO mix. Best wishes. Dave

[Truman]

Varathane Red Oak stain. It is a soy based stain that penetrates very well. .http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7cc30b3127ccec2835b02731000000010O00AbOGjFk5YuW IPbz4Y/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/ I also like to top coat with red mahagoney danish oil. It goes on well and gives a slight red color. FWIW Truman (CSP transfer)

[Milsurp Collector]

I have used for years a product called "Fiebing's Leather Dye", in various shades of brown. It is available through the mail from Tandy Leather, and it
gives a lovely deep color to the wood. You can control the color by how quickly you wipe it off, and how many coats you apply. I have used medium brown, chocolate and dark brown. For god's sake don't spill it on your wife's kitchen table, you will be sleeping in the garage for a LONG time! I am not sure, because it doesn't say, but I believe it is in the family of aniline dyes.
scrmblerkari

+1 for Fiebing's. I heard the alcohol-based version was being discontinued, so I bought 2 quarts of it!

Dixie Gun Works sells a stain based on Fiebing's (you can see the Fiebing's label under the Dixie Gun Works label on the bottle) Dixie Gun Works muzzleloading, blackpowder and rare antique gun supplies. (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_96_214_215&products_id=3913)

Another useful alcohol-based stain is Chestnut Ridge Dark Walnut Military Walnut Stain (http://www.chestnutridge.com/images/inv/MAWAL1.asp)

All of these work well with linseed or pure tung oil finishes.

[BCLOGGER]

One point worth noting, some of the beech stocks don't take kindly to stain. On regular walnut, Kiwi brown shoepolish works well.

[Larry Stobbs]

The best that I have found is using alcohol stains, Gale lock company dark walnut and chestnut ridge dark walnut. The gale lock is a regular walnut color and the chestnut has a red tint to it. with these two and a littl practice, so can match up even different shades of the base wood to all look the same. The trick is to not use them full strength, the more coats you use, the darker it gets, so I cut mine with a 50% mix of isopropyl alcohol so I can work up to the color I want. I normally get the gale lock to match all pieces the walnut color and then use the thinned down chestnut to add the red tint. One other word of caution, you need to have a good eye for the "wet" color of each piece. When the wood is still wet from the stain it will end up the same color as when you put the oil coat on. DO NOT base your color on the dried look as you will end up adding more stain to get it a darker color and then be disappointed when you add the oil coat and it turns out very dark. One more trick to check color before the oil coat is to take straight isopropyl alcohol and put a sparyer on the bottle. Spray the entire stock set with this to wet it and you will be able to see what it will look like with the final oil coat on it. This wetting with straigh alcohol will not chage the color at all, just a little trick for you to check the color beofre you put BLO or Tung Oil on.

[CoTim]

I agree with everyone in regards to alcohol based dye/stains. I have used Behlen Solar-Lux American Walnut for some time with good results. I reduce by 50%. Alcohol based products allow for proper absorbtion of linseed oil or other oil based finishes.

[Rotor]

I like the alcohol dyes too. Anything else if for house painters.

The ability to contol the bleed is what I like best about it.

Chestnut ridge is great ( I am almost convinced it may be Fieblings med brown in a smaller bottle) and it is a standby for US GI wood. In the past year or two I have been using Vanderhave's from Brownells.

MILITARY STOCK STAIN at Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=7677&title=MILITARY%20STOCK%20STAIN&s=19246#19246)
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I'm sure these are mixed with Solar lux or such but the Formula VII ( deep brown with strong purple overtones) is a such a great color for old Colt Thompsons or 1903 wood. I never would have discovered that tint myself.


JR