New scoring system at Camp Perry 2010

[NuJudge]

Let me be the first to say I believe I am going to dislike this:
http://www.nrahq.org/compete/rules_images/signal-sf-tgt-a.pdf

I got this in an eMail today because I have subscribed to the "NRA Competitive Shooting Programs" list.

Can anybody direct me to any discussion about the development of this?

CDD :bitch:

[Hap Rocketto]

The new, or alternate, system has been around for about two years.

There has been considerable discussion about it on the nationalmatch.com website. Log in there and do a search for the debate.

[NuJudge]

That website is down. Anyplace else?

[Hap Rocketto]

They recently updated the site and changed its url to http://www.usrifleteams.com.

Once you are there you then click on forums and then national match.

My apologies, I forgot about the change.

[Mudcat]

Not really a new system...we have been using it locally for a the last 2 yrs. After about 10 mins with it, you will like it. Much easier on you when you got a shooter thats all over the target and easier if you got a shooter keeping you in the 10/X rings. And you never have to reach to the top of the target.

[John Kepler]

This is yet another preemptive strike by the new crop of Safety-Nazi's running NRA Comp! We seem to be be trying to make Highpower into the replacement for shuffleboard and Parcheesi at the Retirement Home ("I can't reach the top of the target no more!").

It's going to cause confusion, it's going to cause misscored targets, it's going to make challeges and protests ubiquitous....and it's going to slow things to a crawl as a result...all while being completely unnecessary! Nothing was broke, so why the hell does NRA need to "fix" it?

[Bob S]

I heard the same stuff when we changed from paddles to the (now) "old" system. Even an FOF like me can be taught new tricks. :-)

Resp'y,
Bob S.

[John Kepler]

Yeah.....but that was an IMPROVEMENT over what came before. This is what exactly....inquiring minds want to know?

[Mudcat]

Hate to say it, but I havent seen the confusion yet with the now not so new system. Vertically challenged folks certainly have it easier now. While I didnt have an issue as I am 6 foot, some folks did, especially with "high" carriers like we have at Butner.

Either way, I still like the system and even if I didnt, whining about it wont help much, just like the no more standing jazz. Hate that we had the change, but I am still going to shoot.

John

[John Kepler]

Not being argumentative John....but how many times have you had to "re-locate" the lower scoring-disk holes in targets at the Nationals because the line couldn't see the spotters in the "factory" locations due to weeds/sandbags/general geography....or the target has slipped down in the crane? I can't think of a target where I didn't, which is why my Leatherman is as important a shooting tool as my rifle!

I really hope I'm wrong and you guys are right......but, well.....I'm an old engineer that is still looking for a completely "idiot-proof" device or system, and know better than to change something that works without a damn-good reason.

NO ONE has articulated the "WHY" of any of this stupid gymkhana! No one asked any of us that I'm aware of....why all the opacity? Why the complete lack of any explanation? Why the "diktats"? And is CMP gonna play along (the hot rumors floating around Camp Perry regarding the start from standing is that they aren't!)

[Maury Krupp]

NRA has a habit of not soliciting comment or explaining rule changes. Why should this one be any different?

CMP has a habit of slow-leaking on rule changes. It's been nearly three months since the NRA change and still no official position from CMP on Standing for Rapids. Why should this one be any different?

I think the "traditional" is clearer and faster if only scoring Xs, 10s, and 9s.

I'm not fully convinced on the safety claims. Just like if the X, 10, & 9 are too low, if the 6, 7, or M are too high that's what your Leatherman is for.

I can live with either scoring system; currently I'm having to live with both. So pick one already :bitch:

Sometimes I just wish they'd stop stirring the $hit long enough to get through a match without a bunch of rule changes :banghead:

Maury

[Fick_2141]

I remember using the long paddels at Parris Island in 85. It took about 90 years to realise this thing could and did fall on people like an axe. But it looked real cool when watching from the firing line. Those were the days.
I really don't see the advantages of the new system, unless you are a short guy. But there is nothing wrong with the new way either. It's just not a big deal to me. Just pick one and go with it.

[Danny]

I just used the new system today. Our club is using it already full-time. I do like it in the pits. It's much quicker. I adapted to it very quickly. It's "pretty good" out on the line, but it can take just a bit longer to try to discern the scores at the bottom line of the target since it's now a bit crowded. I think I can live with that. I could live with it the other way as well. I'll be glad when we are all changed over to one method. This weekend at Camp Perry, I think I'll have to switch over to the "old method", but I'm not certain yet.

Danny

NRA has a habit of not soliciting comment or explaining rule changes. Why should this one be any different?

CMP has a habit of slow-leaking on rule changes. It's been nearly three months since the NRA change and still no official position from CMP on Standing for Rapids. Why should this one be any different?

I think the "traditional" is clearer and faster if only scoring Xs, 10s, and 9s.

I'm not fully convinced on the safety claims. Just like if the X, 10, & 9 are too low, if the 6, 7, or M are too high that's what your Leatherman is for.

I can live with either scoring system; currently I'm having to live with both. So pick one already :bitch:

Sometimes I just wish they'd stop stirring the $hit long enough to get through a match without a bunch of rule changes :banghead:

Maury