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Michael Petrov
03-30-2009, 05:02 PM
I was asked to look at this auction, now over, and for the life of me I have no idea why it sold for so much. Any ideas?

Winchester A5 scope 1903 Springfield Mann-Neidner - eBay (item 130296073119 end time Mar-29-09 20:30:10 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130296073119&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123)

irishsteve
03-30-2009, 05:42 PM
Bidding war perhaps.Since reproduction m84 scopes made in china are going for 400 bucks im not surprised this original A5 was up there.If you had a correct 1903 sniper with out a scope this scope could very well double the value by finishing it.

Jim Tarleton
03-30-2009, 06:09 PM
Bidding war perhaps.Since reproduction m84 scopes made in china are going for 400 bucks im not surprised this original A5 was up there.If you had a correct 1903 sniper with out a scope this scope could very well double the value by finishing it.

I know of no USMC sniper rifle with a scope like that one. USMC target rifles yes, but the sniper scopes - NO!:cool:

Someone got carried away. Note the seller never says it is a USMC sniper scope, but someone evidently thought it was. Those are what is known as "Marine Mounts", but the WWI USMC sniper scopes had significant modifications to the mounts not present on this scope. :wave:

Maybe someone just wanted a scope and had a lot of spare cash.:dunno:

Jim

Michael Petrov
03-30-2009, 11:44 PM
[QUOTE=Jim Tarleton;Those are what is known as "Marine Mounts", Jim[/QUOTE]

Around here I call them Mann-Niedner mounts. Niedner mounted many a varmint or target rifle with these mounts that had nothing to do with the military.

Jim Tarleton
03-31-2009, 12:31 AM
Around here I call them Mann-Niedner mounts. Niedner mounted many a varmint or target rifle with these mounts that had nothing to do with the military.

I agree wholeheartedly. I derive the name "Marine Mount" from the drawing in Brophy's book, which is techically correct. The term "Marine Mount" does not refer to the mounts made by Niedner in 1917 at the behest of the Corps. I think the picture is at the top of page 507 in Brophy, but I am going by memory.:help: I believe Niedner, and I think you do too, was making these same Winchester #2 mount alterations prior to WWI for Marine shooters (and others). I suspect that is why Niedner was selected to mount the 150 modified scopes for the Marines.:super: The Corps certainly didn't just pick Niedner's name out of the Malden Yellowpages.:D

After WWI, the Marines did not need any more sniper rifles - period.:nono: When WWII loomed ahead, the Marines decided to upgrade their A5 sniper rifles in the 1939-40 period. I defy anyone to show me an authenticate Marine Sniper rifle made/constructed between WWI and 1939.:thdown: Better yet, give me a valid reason why they would need one.:dunno:

Jim

John Beard
03-31-2009, 01:07 AM
After WWI, the Marines did not need any more sniper rifles - period.:nono: When WWII loomed ahead, the Marines decided to upgrade their A5 sniper rifles in the 1939-40 period. I defy anyone to show me an authenticate Marine Sniper rifle made/constructed between WWI and 1939.:thdown: Better yet, give me a valid reason why they would need one.:dunno:

Jim

SA S/N 1330600 was drilled and tapped by the USMC for Mann-Neidner mounts. And it was definitely made/constructed between WWI and 1939!

I'll let you explain why the USMC needed it. I just call 'em like I see 'em. :)

J.B.

John Beard
03-31-2009, 01:08 AM
I was asked to look at this auction, now over, and for the life of me I have no idea why it sold for so much. Any ideas?

Winchester A5 scope 1903 Springfield Mann-Neidner - eBay (item 130296073119 end time Mar-29-09 20:30:10 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130296073119&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123)

When one considers that a USMC Unertl scope sells for around $4,000, the Winchester A5 looks very reasonable.

J.B.

Jim Tarleton
03-31-2009, 02:39 AM
SA S/N 1330600 was drilled and tapped by the USMC for Mann-Neidner mounts. And it was definitely made/constructed between WWI and 1939!

I'll let you explain why the USMC needed it. I just call 'em like I see 'em. :)

J.B.

Considering the SN range, I would suspect a Navy or Marine match rifle versus a sniper rifle. Is there any reason to think this rifle was a sniper rifle versus a match rifle? :slap:

Jim

Herschel
03-31-2009, 02:59 AM
Michael, The price looks high to me. The only thing I can figure is that there were two bidders that were determined to get it.

Loy Hamilton
03-31-2009, 03:16 AM
Sniper Scope USMC - eBay (item 110367568072 end time Mar-29-09 11:11:18 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/Sniper-Scope-USMC_W0QQitemZ110367568072QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item110367568072&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Homer03
03-31-2009, 04:08 AM
Not sure if its a sniper scope but it was Ebay snipers that bid it up in the last cpl mins. Geeze I hate that.

Michael Petrov
03-31-2009, 02:34 PM
If every Scope with a set of Mann-Niedner mounts is bringing this kind of money there will be a lot more for sale. I was asked before the end of the auction what I thought it would bring and told the person that it would bring less than a normal A5 because the mounts have been changed. Told him it would go for less than $500 ;-).

chuck in idaho
03-31-2009, 08:36 PM
That scope (s/n 2072) is getting around:
eBay auction 11-07
CSP post, on rifle s/n 1414XX
eBay auction 3-29-09

FWIW
Chuck

Jim Tarleton
03-31-2009, 10:27 PM
That scope (s/n 2072) is getting around:
eBay auction 11-07
CSP post, on rifle s/n 1414XX
eBay auction 3-29-09

FWIW
Chuck

Is it getting any cheaper?:beerchug:

Jim

mark1
03-31-2009, 11:52 PM
I sold my A5 last year of just over 1,000.00. So this one seems in line.
Mark

chuck in idaho
04-01-2009, 01:02 AM
Hi Jim
Don't know just had the dates logged and not the prices.
cii

Sunray
04-03-2009, 11:27 PM
Somebody wanted to give money to The Brady Bunch.
Auctions are like that. People get caught up in them and pay exorbitant amounts for damaged stuff.

Cass
04-05-2009, 12:22 PM
Loy, I sent you a PM but I'll also post here.

Did any of you save any info about the ebay link Loy left? It's no longer active. Was the seller bwohlg582i ?

I was just caught on a scam for a M82 scope and wonder if this one was also included. Mine has now been deleted by ebay as well. I can explain the scam more once I get a little more info, but it appears they are using old auction pictures and descriptions combined with a job scam where the apparent seller gives up ebay account info in the form of a job application scam. Fortunately i was able to get out for no more than the cost to cancel a cashier's check.

If so it appears the scammers may be using high end scopes as scam auctions.

Thanks,
Cass

Loy Hamilton
04-05-2009, 01:12 PM
That scope (s/n 2072) is getting around:
eBay auction 11-07
CSP post, on rifle s/n 1414XX
eBay auction 3-29-09

FWIW
Chuck

CASS

I didn't save any info on the scope. I had ran accross it one day on epay and noticed the USMC on the scope. See Chuck's post above. He seems to remember seeing this same scope before.

Cass
04-05-2009, 07:16 PM
CASS

I didn't save any info on the scope. I had ran accross it one day on epay and noticed the USMC on the scope. See Chuck's post above. He seems to remember seeing this same scope before.

Thanks, Loy.

Chuck did you or anyone else save the infor on the auction you linked?

I have just confirmed that the bogus auction that I won for the M82 was actually auctioned in april 2007. The pictures and description from that auction were used to create a bogus auction.

Thanks,
Cass

chuck in idaho
04-05-2009, 10:35 PM
Cass
Sorry, all I saved was the information I posted on scope s/n 2072.
I've been adding Unertl-USMC scope information to a list I received from Larry Renolds several years ago. More than once a peticular scope has shown up in different auctions or on a different rifle.

Chuck

Jim Tarleton
04-06-2009, 03:01 AM
Hi Chuck.

Those databases do come in handy. I try to keep several at the same time. It is a lot of work, but interesting.

Jim