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painter777
04-01-2009, 05:08 PM
This just passed to me from a E-mail. Notice the first gun on the list.
Anyone know it's current status?

Charlie-painter777


Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out
Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America
GunLaws.com
3-12-9

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.
Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.
Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):
Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."
Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.
Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of Americahttp://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm
Forward or send to every gun owner you know...
Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk)
A partial list of gun rights groups:
Gun Owners of America
Gun Owners of America (http://gunowners.org/)
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership - Homepage (http://www.jpfo.org/)
FREEDOM=GUNS
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm
National Rifle Association
National Rifle Association - NRA Website Gateway (http://www.nra.org/)
Second Amendment Committee
Second Amendment Committee :: Welcome (http://www.libertygunrights.com/)
Second Amendment Foundation
Second Amendment Foundation Online (http://www.saf.org/)
Second Amendment Sisters
Second Amendment Sisters, Inc. (http://www.2asisters.org/)
Women Against Gun Control
Women Against Gun Control is a free to join group that supports the 2nd Amendment and a woman's right to protect herself. (http://www.wagc.com/)
And another:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

Tired Retired
04-01-2009, 10:31 PM
Charlie,

This is from an email that has been past around since January when Holder sent up his "trial ballon" statement. Pelosi immediately made a statement about "enforcing the laws already on the books" which shot him down. Last month 50 something demo congressmen sent a letter to Holder basically making the topic DOA for the next two years. While the Anti's were hoping, it looks like those on the left side of the isle in Congress realize that the 1st ban is how they lost the congress in '96. They do not want a repeat in 2010. Even the "issue" of guns in Mexico is getting "de-stressed" over the fear of a right wing power gain in 2010.... But keep an eye on the big shootings (like the nursing home last week).... the Anti's will play on those... but isn't it strange that the nursing home and that Shooting in Alabama two weeks ago (which were both major tragedies by sick people) have not been played and replayed by the press like what happened at VA Tech ???? Who says that the press is not influenced by key people in power?

Safe for 2 years.... lets celebrate by ordering another Carbine from CMP!!!!

Sparrow
04-02-2009, 05:12 AM
Charlie

I have over 30 rifles on the list (8 types) I sure hope it dosent pass.

Greg O
04-02-2009, 01:31 PM
Now, THERE is some mighty sound+ good advice!


[QUOTE=Tired Retired;33791

Safe for 2 years.... lets celebrate by ordering another Carbine from CMP!!!![/QUOTE]

Art
04-02-2009, 02:55 PM
This has been around for quite a while. First the author of the Bill is not Holder. Holder is a kid who was murdered that the bill is named for.

The author of the bill is Bobby Rush, a radical Democrat congressman from Chicago. One of Rush's previous jobs was Minister of Defense of the Black Panther Party at which time he wouldn't have supported a bill like this I promise you.

The bill as of this moment has zero sponsors and I figure zero chance of passage right now. I saw Rush interviewed and even he conceded that. That dosen't mean that in the next year or two, maybe after 2010 if things go the Dems way we may not see this actually brought to the floor for a vote.

Keep your powder dry.

Harlan
04-02-2009, 06:36 PM
Semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes.

Obama expressed the above almost verbatim in interviews before he was elected. He said there was no reason any citizen should have any gun originally designed for military use.

TDH
04-03-2009, 10:55 AM
S.45 the latest version/registration scheme with that gun ban list had a grandfather clause. Like the Clinton Gun Ban if you got it you can keep it but you can't buy new. The CGB went after Hi Cap (clips), old stocks could be sold but no new manufacture.
In my humble opinion the main reason they have not tried this BS is that it would mean the loss of more american jobs at a time when we need everyone of them we have. It is also my humble opinion that the Global Economy scheme is falling flat on it's collective glutius maximus. They wanted it they got it and it is failing. Keep your arms and ammo close we will need them before or when society collapses.

conductor
04-03-2009, 11:32 AM
This has been around for quite a while. First the author of the Bill is not Holder. Holder is a kid who was murdered that the bill is named for.

The author of the bill is Bobby Rush, a radical Democrat congressman from Chicago. One of Rush's previous jobs was Minister of Defense of the Black Panther Party at which time he wouldn't have supported a bill like this I promise you.

You're talking apples and oranges here. The bill that Bobby Rush is pushing is the "BLAIR HOLT" Registration and Licensing bill. It was named after Blair Holt, a teenager who was shot to death in Chicago.
ERIC HOLDER is the Attorney General of the United States, who is pushing the new "Assault Weapons" ban (but did not write it). My understanding is that it was written by the staffs of Diane Feinstein and Charles Schumer, with a lot of help by the Brady organization.

Art
04-03-2009, 05:26 PM
Conductor, you are correct.

BHP
04-04-2009, 03:32 AM
04-02-2009 06:36 PM
From cafdfw: Semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes.


Seems to me, this particular gun ban (even during the Clinton era), was and is against the law of the land. Regarding Miller and his Stevens shotgun with a less than 18" barrel, the Supreme Court ruled in 1939...


In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.

FindLaw | Cases and Codes (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=174)

And that's my 2 cents! :dancingbanana:

joem
04-04-2009, 10:16 AM
Golly. I don't have any of those anymore. They were lost in a boating accident last year and are now at the bottom of the river!