View Full Version : New stock, old Cartouche
04-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Would like to know opinions on replicating cartouches from and old stock to a new stock. I have the original stock, but it is pretty beat up. So I took a newer stock and replicated the cartouches on that one. I'm not trying to trick anyone into thinking it is an original by any means. Just wanting to know what people think about it.
04-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Are you sure you really want to know what people think about fake cartouches? :ugh: Make sure you have your helmet and body armor on. ;)
By the way, if your cartouche was stamped in 2009, it's not exactly an "old cartouche". :)
The ever increasing number of stocks with fake cartouches floating around out there causes people to worry about getting ripped off every time they consider buying a marked stock. People with genuine items have more trouble selling their genuine items because people worry if it is fake CMP Discussion Forum - Is this WRA stock fake? (http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=67932) Creating one more stock with fake markings isn't helping the situation.
People often say "this is for my personal collection, I'll never sell it, or if I do sell it I'll always tell the buyer it is fake" etc. etc. The problem is, these stocks with fake markings don't just disappear when the original owners or their heirs are done with them. They change hands a few times and the fact they are fake is eventually "forgotten". Then they end up on ebay or at a gun show, and someone ends up getting ripped off paying a lot of money for a fake that they think is real. If the original owner had not created the fake in the first place, the whole chain of events wouldn't have happened.
I have the original stock, but it is pretty beat up. So I took a newer stock and replicated the cartouches on that one.
You have already had your newer stock stamped, so what's done is done, but let me ask you this: say you had an original Babe Ruth-autographed baseball that was old and "beat up". If you took a newer baseball and had someone forge Babe Ruth's autograph on it, would that be the same thing as your original, authentic, genuine, but old and beat up Babe Ruth-autographed baseball? Which one would most people rather own? Which one would be the real deal, with real history, and which one would be just a pretty-looking fake? ;)
04-08-2009, 04:30 PM
Well I have a steel pot, but no body armor:surrender:
That's why I asked and like you say what's done is done. I do concur with you and understand after doing it that there is a big problem with counterfeiting. Sometimes it's hard to admit stupidity in view of a good job that is obviously a fake to the trained eye. :nono:
Well in years past I spent big money on original wood to finish mostly original rifles. Now I see in the shotgun news, James River manufacturing will park your Garand or Carbine and restamp everything to restore it, barrel stock, etc for like $400.00, re-pop parts are everywhere and getting better.
I think we are heading towards a world where 99.9% of everything is fake, and real stuff will be far and few between it may be hard to tell real from repop and it will all cost the same. So go ahead stamp your self silly everyone else is.
04-09-2009, 01:32 PM
I'm having a WRA over WB stock stamped at the end of the week. BUT don't freak out, it has a CMP stamp on the bottom of the pistol grip. flame resistant suit has been put on so in the words of Joe Swanson "BRING IT ON!!!!"
04-09-2009, 01:40 PM
Sometime back there was a contest over whether any replica cartouching could be countenanced.(Maybe it was on the old board) Ive always thought that attempts to create authetic looking cartouche should be accompanied by the applicators mark in the barrel channel. (PS This is the approach taken by firearms restoration experts such as Doug Turnbull )
These are all original cartouches, all except the OGEK are on no-trap stocks
04-09-2009, 05:13 PM
If only I could convince you to sell or trade one of those stocks :(
These stocks are all on rifles from 1941 except the WRA WB with OGEK rebuild which is on a 1.2 mil Winchester.
04-09-2009, 10:04 PM
what about a whole rifle then? ;)
04-12-2009, 09:38 PM
You can always stamp "REPRODUCTION" in the barrel channel then everyone from now 'til kingdom come will know it's not the real deal.
04-12-2009, 10:15 PM
Thats a good idea.
I thought that if there were no "P" stamped in the grip and that it does say boyds in the channel. Anybody would tell easy that its a reproduction .
04-14-2009, 08:17 PM
I think the idea of putting a un-removable marking in the barrel channel is a good idea.
Maybe something like " reproduction cartouche 4/14/09"
04-15-2009, 01:05 AM
If you put a real cartouche using a real cartouche stamp on a Boyd's stock, then it is the stock that is fake, not the cartouche.
People are more concerned about the cartouches than the stocks. I never hear anything about fake stocks. It seems the priorities are reversed from what they should be.
Real stocks are getting rare. That is why Boyds does so much business.
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