Remington 1903A4 with M45 Scope

[N-Frame]

Hey Guys,

Just took possession of a very nice 1903A4. Appears to be in the correct SN range, and have all the correct parts. I just can not find any information on the M45 scope. Scope is marked "TELESCOPE, M45 NO. 3832; M.H.R. CO. 1943 - R.J.D."

Any help you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.

[JGaynor]

Hey Guys,

Just took possession of a very nice 1903A4. Appears to be in the correct SN range, and have all the correct parts. I just can not find any information on the M45 scope. Scope is marked "TELESCOPE, M45 NO. 3832; M.H.R. CO. 1943 - R.J.D."

Any help you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.

N-Frame,

Could you post pictures of the scope or at least describe the reticle and/or the adjustments?

Thanks,

Jim

[N-Frame]

I will try to post some photos this evening. The only adjustment that I see is the windage adjustment of the Redfield mount. There does not appear to be an adjustment for elevation. Poyer's book mentions that there were at least a dozen different scopes used with the Remington, but only provides detail of a few. This particular rifle is in the first 3 million serial number block of 1903A4 rifles delivered.

Thanks!

[Da CSP 1903shooter]

Hey Guys,

Just took possession of a very nice 1903A4. Appears to be in the correct SN range, and have all the correct parts. I just can not find any information on the M45 scope. Scope is marked "TELESCOPE, M45 NO. 3832; M.H.R. CO. 1943 - R.J.D."

Any help you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.

Sounds like you have an Artillery spotting scope. They were not made to be used as rifle scopes. That is why they do not have any adjustments and without any aqy to adjust the windage and elevation they would be pretty useless as a sniper scope. You need to find a Weaver 330C, M73 B1, M-81 or M-82.

[chuckindenver]

scope is for a M3 anti tank gun. or other feild piece.

[Mike Haas]

I gotta see pictures before I can comment further.

[duggaboy]

is your scope made from brass, and quite heavy? How long is it? Is it 3/4 inch or 1 inch diameter? what are the reticles like? also, did the 1903-a4 ever use the Lyman Alaskan Scope? thanks, duggaboy

[JGaynor]

is your scope made from brass, and quite heavy? How long is it? Is it 3/4 inch or 1 inch diameter? what are the reticles like? also, did the 1903-a4 ever use the Lyman Alaskan Scope? thanks, duggaboy

Other than a few prototypes no M1903A4's were built with Lyman Alaskans (M73). The Alaskan is mentioned or depicted in at least two Tech manuals but thats about as far as it got - infortunately.

The M73 did become available later and was used briefly on the M1C. By then A4 production had been concluded for months.

There are some reports of M81's and M82's being used in Korea and I believe there may have been some aquisition of commercial Alaskans during the Korean War but i don't don't have a solid source or many details.

In the mid 50's ordnance authorized the use of the M73, M81 and M82 on a " use until exhausted" basis. The standard scopes remained the M73B1 with the M84 as an approved alternative. By the late 60's the M73B1's were pretty much gone as well.

Regards,

Jim

[N-Frame]

Here is a photo of the scope. Thanks for the help.

http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/05/001-1.jpg

[Mike Haas]

Here is a photo of the scope. Thanks for the help.

http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/05/001-1.jpg


Verry strange....:surrender::surrender: :dunno::dunno:

[chuckindenver]

scope for a feild piece , installed with commercial rings.

[JGaynor]

Verry strange....:surrender::surrender: :dunno::dunno:

I used to have one of these. Its thr optical portion of a sighting assembly for a heavy weapon. Adjustments are provided thru the base or bracket. The reticle is most likely a mil scale etched on glass and designed to be illuminated thru a little window on the tube.

Its just a coincidence that it fits standard 7/8" rings.

Regards,

Jim

[Mike Haas]

I used to have one of these. Its thr optical portion of a sighting assembly for a heavy weapon. Adjustments are provided thru the base or bracket. The reticle is most likely a mil scale etched on glass and designed to be illuminated thru a little window on the tube.

Its just a coincidence that it fits standard 7/8" rings.

Regards,

Jim

I wonder what the "market price" for it would be?? Not to mention the cost of the "sighting in" process!!..:cheers:

[JGaynor]

I wonder what the "market price" for it would be?? Not to mention the cost of the "sighting in" process!!..:cheers:

Mike 40 years ago these went for less than $10. I'd guess thats about what they would be worth today - as a curiosity or a paperweight..not much use on a rifle.
Jim

[N-Frame]

The reticle is standard fine cross hairs. No mill dots etched into the glass. This is what I couldn't figure out. I assumed that if this was for some sort of field piece, it would have some sort of ranging scale etched into the glass.

[chuckindenver]

i sold my M3 anit tank guns to a collector, who was looking for scopes like this.
iv seen them bring well over 100.00 on Ebay. are they worth that??its worth whatever it will bring on the market.
who ever would have thought a POS Weaver 330 would fetch over 500.00??
are they worth it???NO. will someone pay that? yes.
like i said, its worth whatever it will bring...