Inch pattern night vision top cover

[m4carbine]

Anyone know what the British NV top cover looks like?

anyone have any pics?

[Peter Laidler]

I'll keep an eye out on this site Marty and if no one has put photos up in the next week, I'll try my best to oblige. No promises mind you as my computer skills are absolutely cra.............. er, rubbish.

Incidentally, over the years I have put two or three on Ebay and they made sod-all. That's a British Army technical explanation for '.......not a lot!'

[Terrylee]

M4Carbine, Is this what you are looking for?

[nzl1a1collector]

Anyone know what the British NV top cover looks like?

anyone have any pics?

Top is the Australian IWS/PVS2 mounting.
Middle is the British IWS mount for the L1A1 rifle.
Bottom is the British IWS adaptor bracket.
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/nzl1a1collector/AU-BR-NVS-mounts.jpg

Top Australian L1A1 fitted with the PVS2
Bottom British BSA L1A1 fitted with the IWS
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/nzl1a1collector/PVS2-IWS-L1A1.jpg

L1A1 fitted with L7 GPMG Bipod and IWS
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/nzl1a1collector/L1A1GPMGIWS_05.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/nzl1a1collector/L1A1GPMGIWS_02.jpg

[Peter Laidler]

There you are M4Carbine.......that's what I call service!

[Terrylee]

Peter, A question which I know you can answer: Was the PVS 2 ever fitted to the L42A1?

[Peter Laidler]

Great question Terry.......Officially, no. That's because, going from my memory now, the old PVS IIW's were zeroed by using the interface mount (between the sight and rifle) but the interface mount couldn't be used on the L42 so there would be no means of zeroing the IIW to the L42.

That's the reason why the L42 IIW bracket stayed with the L42 and the others, that COULD be mounted AND zeroed to the GPMG, the AR15, 84mm Charlie G and L1A1 rifle were stored in both the PVS and SS20 night sight box.

Funny you should ask that question because I was only talking to the bloke who formulated it all (in the early 70's) the other day! There, another bit of useless Lee Enfield information

[Terrylee]

Thank you, Peter, for your most informative response. It is realy great to have someone like you available to answer obscure questions which would otherwise probably remain unresolved!

[m4carbine]

Terry, NZL1A1collector and Peter, thank you.

Did the Brits or Aussies use the PVS 2?

Anyone have an L1A1 IWS mount???

[nzl1a1collector]

The AN/PVS-2 was standard NVS for the Aussies and Kiwis till it was replaced by the AN/PVS-4, which was then replaced by the CWS Kite and Maxi-Kite sights.

[m4carbine]

Next question, did the brits use the PVS 1 on the L42A1?
It looks very similar to the IWS but is clearly different.

[Peter Laidler]

No. Because the PVS has the zeroing in the bracket while the IIW has it in the tube. You could put the PVS onto the L42 bracket but you wouldn't be able to zero it

[jmoore]

Looking at the IIW (SS20) pics, where are the windage and elevation controls located? No conventional knobs that I can see except for the focus(?) adjusting knob on the forward left side. Unfortunately, the resolution on this work 'puter ain't the best!

[Trilux]

Will a PVS-2 fit and lock solid on a British IWS mount?
I have borrowed an Aussie PVS-2 mount but im going to have to give it back so need to find my own one somhow...somwhere.
Anyone want to part with one? I can give it a good home in New Zealand!

[nzl1a1collector]

The simple answer is NO.

The long answer is no; unless you modify either the British IWS mount or the PVS2 sight bracket, either of which is an expensive option for some rare parts.

[Trilux]

The simple answer is NO.

The long answer is no; unless you modify either the British IWS mount or the PVS2 sight bracket, either of which is an expensive option for some rare parts.

Thanks Kevin, im not going to modify anything so ill have to turn up an Aussie/NZ type PVS mount from somwhere or have one made.

Weve met before years ago, I got a SUIT mount off you and you got a Canadian parade bayonet off me once upon a time.

Dont have a spare mount by any chance? :lol:

[nzl1a1collector]

Ahhhhhhh right, yes the Bayonet I remember, I still have it :-) Unfortunately I don't have a spare mount, wish I did I need another for when I do a displays.

[Peter Laidler]

Exactly WHAT mount are you after. Is it the adjustable mount that interfaces between the L1A1 IIW cover and the US PVS-2 sight.

Is it the mount shown in the Infantry Training handbook (available from BDL if I remember......)

[Trilux]

Exactly WHAT mount are you after. Is it the adjustable mount that interfaces between the L1A1 IIW cover and the US PVS-2 sight.

Is it the mount shown in the Infantry Training handbook (available from BDL if I remember......)

Im looking for the topcover mount itsself.
My PVS is complete with the adjustable mount, im just missing the the topcover mount on the rifle.
The one I have now Is on loan and must be returned so it can be stashed away in an ammo can never to see the light of day again. (damn hoarders!) :banghead:

I dont have any L1A1 handbooks unfortunately.

[Peter Laidler]

I realise that but WHICH top cover? Which of the top covers shown in the pictures in this thread are you looking for. Better still, look at the relevant page in the user handbook and tell me which one it is. If you haven't got a user handbook for your rifle, all is lost. They're cheap too...................

[Trilux]

The mount I have on loan at the moment is the same as the top one in Kevins pic.
The Australian/NZ type PVS-2 mount.

I only have a British manual at the moment (army code 12258) which does not cover night vision gear.
I do have Skennertons SLR book and also have your No.4T Sniper book which either you or Skennerton signed, I cant make out the signature!!

[Peter Laidler]

Can't help there...............

[koldt]

Just for comparison, here is the other inch pattern FN covers. The inside 2 are for the NV.
http://www3.telus.net/hansonk/c1covers.jpg

[nzl1a1collector]

From left to right
Standard C1/C2 rifle Cover
Infrared Sight Cover/Mount
AN/PVS-502 Cover/Mount
C1 Sniper Sight Cover/Mount

[koldt]

Here are the same C1 covers, with their stuff attached.
http://www3.telus.net/hansonk/fn mounts.jpg

[Peter Laidler]

That's something really mean just visible in the left side of the photos. Do I spy the business end of the mighty Mk2 Bren?

[koldt]

Here is the gratuitous shot of the rest of the Canadian junk wall. Including the Bren.

[Peter Laidler]

Woweeeeeee....., a sight to behold! Is the Bren shootable? It always winds my clock up when we shoot them. I think that the butt handle was the preserve of the Mk1 Bren.

[koldt]

Woweeeeeee....., a sight to behold! Is the Bren shootable? It always winds my clock up when we shoot them. I think that the butt handle was the preserve of the Mk1 Bren.
Yup, all the guns can shoot, if I could actually take all of them to a range. Canadian gun law, doesn't have to make sense.:mad:

[Peter Laidler]

Does what you're saying mean that you can OWN automatics like the Bren, keep them at home and fire them but NOT take them in your car to a range? Sheeees. What if you had a range at home, in your cellar?

[koldt]

Does what you're saying mean that you can OWN automatics like the Bren, keep them at home and fire them but NOT take them in your car to a range? Sheeees. What if you had a range at home, in your cellar?
Yup, as of a few years ago, that's the way it is. We are hoping our next government majority will give them the needed "nuts" to change that law..

The possession, but not take them to the range "law", came into effect as a result of a simple interpretation of a section of our Criminal Code. One Liberal party employed lawyer in the Dept of Justice (as if) gave her interpretation of the transport regulations. She believed the law did not allow us to transport our machine guns and other named "evil black guns" to the range. So of course the Liberal party of the day agreed and therefore would not issue the required Authority To Transport permits for those particular firearms... Hopefully with a new Tory govt, that will change..

If you had a range on your property, then yes, you could shoot them, as you are not transporting to an Attorney General approved range.

It doesn't have to make sense, it's Canadian gun law.