I have heard that certain of these Chinese rifles have faulty heat treated Receivers and Bolts and are unsafe to fire. Can anyone tell me if this applies to All of these Rifles or only to one of the two manufacturers, (Polytech or Norinco)? Thanks
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I have heard that certain of these Chinese rifles have faulty heat treated Receivers and Bolts and are unsafe to fire. Can anyone tell me if this applies to All of these Rifles or only to one of the two manufacturers, (Polytech or Norinco)? Thanks
AFAIK, there is no issue with the receivers. There have been postings about soft bolts, etc. I would do a search for postings on this subject by Gus Fisher and others w/ practical knowledge of the M-14/M-1A. Sincerely. BruceV.
IIRC it's mainly an issue with the bolts, the receivers are forged.
Eli
Fulton Armory Upgrade of Polytech M14/S For Newbies
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some people say they have a 'stigma' attached to them. (a stigma must be an extra part or something)
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I have two of them. One is very accurate and the other, not so good.
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Originally Posted by goo
I feel alot of that is crap.
I very happy with the one I used for a base NM build
They're honest value in today's gun trading marketplace. You'll need a USGI bolt if/when you install a USGI barrel.
99% of the bad comments you hear about the chicom M14/S rifles is PURE BULL SH--!!! :mad: Much of this garbage is dumped on the internet by 2 or 3 people/companies who want to convince you that your rifle isn't safe and you should pay them $700 or some such ridiculous amount to convert it to all GI parts. :nono:
There has NEVER been a report of a major malfunction on these rifle in the 10+ years I've been on the internet. The same cannot be said for ANY of the other brands of the M1A rifles. I have read reports of major problems with everyone of the "American" made rifles!
I know of several guys that have 10,000 rds thru original, unmodified chicoms.
One who rents machine guns has a chicom M14 sekect fire rifle with 30,000 rds thru an unmodified rifle.
Yes the rear sights on some early ones are bad and there were problems with soft bolts on the early rifles. All of those problems were corrected in later imports which were also then made in the US inch pattern so that all but 2 small parts are interchangeable with GI parts. One is the locking collar for the gas cyl, can't remember the other one.
I am the Happy owner of unmodified chiciom M14/S and an M14 select fire rifles.
Sarge
I shot 3 K of cheap surplus through mine
Then I had it turned up
USGI Bolt/trigger group/Flash hider/rear sight
All the above very reasonable for the CMP about 150 bucks
Douglas barrel
Freds stock
NM work by Roland Beaver
Below is me playing @ 600 with no pits
It will do better
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...45321502-1.jpg
chicoms are probably harder to resell than american ones.
Selling not my problemQuote:
Originally Posted by goo
It will be shot out
I will have had my fun
and I will be dead
Does anyone know for certain? Are they made in 2 different factories? I guess they come off the same line. Just my guess.
NORINCO is a conglomeration of companies in various locations, numbering 30 plus. They manufacture many things including bicyles, motorcycles, millitary products for the Chinese Army, rifles for export, . . . NORINCO stands for NORth china INdustries, COmpany, and is owned by the Chinese Ministry of Defence.
Poly Tech is one company in one location and is owned by the Chinese Army. Their products are various and sundry military items for the Chinese Army, as well as rifles for export.
The difference to us may not be readily apparent from seeing their M14SA rifles, but NORINO seems to have the capability to build parts in many different locations, and have them fit well.
One of my best-built, best-shooting guns is a .22 LR bolt-action repeater made by Norinco back in the '90's and imported by Keng's in Georgia. It's called a "NS 522." The action's a spitting-image knock-off of the Anschutz 54. Steyr made the hammer-forged barrels. A little trigger-lightening turned it into a fine rimfire silhouette rifle. I've heard Anschutz got bent and succeeded in having the Chinese gun barred from import around 10 years ago. I get a lot of funny looks when I tell people where it came from.
"...2 different factories?..." Two different companies. Both Norinco and Polytech M305/M14S rifles have been out of production for several years. No U.S. importing anyway.
Several years? Pushing a couple decades!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunray
Well my friend went ahead and bought a Norinco which he fired yesterday. The fired cases were then measured with a Stony Point HS set which of course only gives comparative measurements. Using a Forster HS gauge as a comparison, the fired cases were between 14 and 13 thou longer. Off to Gunsmith for proper measurement. Rifle actually shot quite well at 200M
I thought new rifles are for sale in Canada. Anyone know for sure?
Yup, last imports last year. Can still get them for about $450-500 Cdn. seem to work quite well,I have no problem with mine.I pop basketball size rock at 200meters with South african ball, iron sights, no problem, and I'm no great shot.Good value for $Was in gun shop last week and a young fellow was buying a Springfield armory standard rifle (not aNM) for $2400Cdn. salesman was having problems with mag catch so he put it up and got another one (these were new right out of the box). :thdown:I get my gunsmithing work done there, so I said nothing. Wanted to tell the young fellow to get a $500 Norinco m14 and $1000 ammo/reloading stuff and enjoy shooting .;):)
There's a new batch in Canada now that will be at retail shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calif-Steve
They're reputed to be new production and will be in synthetic stocks. No word on the price yet but I doubt they'll be as cheap as the $400 Cdn Marstar was selling theirs for.
For being out of business for years, It is interesting that I just got my new Polytech Camo M14 last Wednesday and about 1000 shipped into Canada in the past while or on their way... High Quality of the new Polytech's are unbelievable...
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Originally Posted by Sunray
Please, SNAFU, where did you get that target? Thanks, BK
Just my $0.02.
Got my New Poly M14 - Headspace is 1.638" = Excellent. A new M1A (right beside mine) had headspace was 1.640 to 1.641 - still within NATO spec. As for other deficiencies, mine required .006" shim at gas block. That's it.
Paid $550.00 Cdn for it vs $2,200 Cdn for M1A. Not shooting match, so nothing else necessary. It is a fantastic rifle. And seems eager to eat reasonable reloads. So for those whom are giving consideration to a chicom rifle. Don't buy one, BUY TWO for way less than M1A.
Cheers:D
I have owned polytechs,Norincos, no issues one of my norincos has over 5000 rds with no issues. some bolts were soft no all of them. lots of biased BS. just my 2 cents. Tim
I have both Norinco and Polytech M14S rifles - all of them were BETTER than the M1A in terms of receiver machining and geometry. SEI seems to like them for builds - that can't be a bad thing.
I have a polytech and I'm very happy with it. I have a fulton armory build and I'm having troubles with it. and the poly had a better trigger. "O" all the part in the fulton armory are TRW parts. (triggeer housing group, barrel, op; rod. etc.
Pat
if you are in doubt call Ron Smith of smith enterprise HE will set you straight. lets just stop this biased BS right here. Tim
My experience with Chinese weapons and ammunition has been, if issue, it's as good as it gets. If commercial still good. my weapons of choice is SKS and TT 33, Chinese issue. Gary