Early Winchester 1071xxx

Hey all!

New guy to forum, not new to collecting.

I jumped on a deal for what I knew to be an early Winchester, but I didn't know what I was getting myself into!

It's a early spring tube Winchester, receiver and barrel seem to match, early type I barrel band, flip rear sight, milled front sight. Some pitting on the LH side of the receiver but nothing terrible other than the LH side of the sight which has obliterated the square "S" if it was there. Early push button checkered safety. A few dark spots in the barrel. Never been reparked, finish is about 60% remaining on the barrel and receiver.

Now for the bad:

M2 stock (though it is a postwar Springfield USGI w inspector cartouches)
Type 4 National Postal Meter trigger group housing that has that plum hue to it somewhat common for Bavarian carbines from the high nickel content/inpromper bluing temp.
Late Underwood hammer
Post-war Underwood round bolt
The spring tube was the later non-tabbed type but that was easily fixed as I had a Quality Hardware that had an earlier correct tabbed spring tube so I round robin-ed those.

I'd like to get this War Baby back to its "service accurate" build. Type 2 housing, dogleg hammer, correct mag release, high-wood I cut stock (or even a "cut down" field repair that retains the I-cut), Du-lite bolt.

The only stock I've been able to find is on eBay for almost $1k and it's in MUCH better shape than the rifle. I'm looking for something a little more worn and beaten to match the rifle itself to be honest.

The only trigger housings I've been able to find are either a single type I or type IIIs.

Any ideas outside eBay or scrubbing gunbroker every few days?

Thanks all!

I look forward to sharing and contributing where I can!

I wanted to edit, it appears to be a TYPE II NPM trigger housing. I can't imagine Winchester getting parts from NPM so early in their run but it's strange that it's the right type but wrong maker?

In any case, here are some pics!

Early Winchester Carbine 12/26/23 - Album on Imgur

Serial number was applied on 4-15-43.

Seems I've seen that stamp you have on the rear tang, below the serial number before. I want to say on one of the Austrian Gendarmerie regions.

Anyone recognize it?


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ryymjpeg-1.jpg

Here is another picture of it. I didn't pay much attention to it before, at first glance I thought it was a sideways "W"!

Maybe an "E"? This came from the Ethiopian re-imports by IO, Inc/ Royal Tiger so maybe, like the Austrians/Bavarians marked their receivers, the Ethiopians marked them like this?

Can you spell out the Importers stamp, exactly as it's stamped. A picture of it may help also. Add its exact location.
I may be on to something about the rear circled marking, but want to be sure first.

BTW, Welcome to Milsurps :wave:

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Originally Posted by painter777

Can you spell out the Importers stamp, exactly as it's stamped. A picture of it may help also. Add its exact location.
I may be on to something about the rear circled marking, but want to be sure first.

BTW, Welcome to Milsurps :wave:

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Hello again! Importer stamp reads: "IOINC MELBOURNE, FL"

Located under the barrel just rear of the front sight.

Update: I pulled another RTI/IO, Inc Ethiopian return carbine, this time a 1944 Standard Products, and it has a slightly different import stamp, and no mark on the heel like the Winchester. The impost stamp on the Standard Products reads:
LINE 1 Under barrel behind front sight: "IOINC MELB FL"
LINE 2 Under barrel behind front sight: " M1 CARBINE .30 CAL. USA"

Thx,
Need to ask you to look and take a couple more pictures of your WRA.
Pics needed are on the front of the receiver ring.
We're looking for a possible added letter stamp or something that appears as such, maybe a partial stamp out of the normal.

Take a couple pictures to the left side and right side of the below stamp:
*
U.S. CARBINE
CAL. .30 M1

Note the * is the area we've found some of these letter/partial letter stamps on Carbines with Circled 3's. But look over both areas. Wouldn't hurt to look over the whole receiver. Not a fools errand, there's a reason behind this.

@painter777 I don't see anything in the receiver ring itself but here are your pictures. There are some hyroglyphics below the wood line and on the bottom of the receiver and I tried to get those but I don't think they are what you're looking for...?

I'm still cleaning out the nooks and cranies on the receiver so pardon the gunk. It looks like someone fired it while it was full of cosmoline. I can assure you it wasn't me. I rather like my face without shrapnel in it!

TJ,
Here's a link to the Carbine Collectors Club Forum that has a post that has been researching these 'Circled 3' stamps. You'll see on the last page #3 that I asked about the style of yours. Which I believe is the less commonly seen block style 3, like a reverse E.

Many thoughts and theories so far as to why it's there.

I'll also post this link over there.

3 in Circle IP Receiver Marking ? - The Carbine Collector's Club - Page 1

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Originally Posted by TJHartley00

The only stock I've been able to find is on eBay for almost $1k and it's in MUCH better shape than the rifle.

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If your talking about the one listed by tagmil it's been ruined by the sanding. And a LOT better picture of the Acceptance stamp is needed to verify it is real.
Those Stamps are often Faked.
In current condition it's a $75.00 shooter stock IMO.

I just got a nie Winchester stock from whatacountry.com check their website

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Originally Posted by painter777

If your talking about the one listed by tagmil...
Those Stamps are often Faked.
In current condition it's a $75.00 shooter stock IMO.

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I decided to take a chance since it had a 100% money back on the return policy...

The stamps looked and felt to be laser etched into the wood. Instead of being "pressed" they felt raised and very crisp. Also, I didn't catch it at first but the pistol grip had been broken off completely and then sanded and finished, while well done I knew as soon as I wrapped my hand around it that something was off about the grip. I sent it back the very next day after listing everything wrong w it. He said he was going to block me... ?*?? No loss other than I'm still looking for a I cut Winnie stock and a type II trigger housing ?

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Originally Posted by tom gray

I just got a nie Winchester stock from whatacountry.com check their website

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I was just looking through their stock yesterday. Do they have more than what's listed on the pages? I was wondering if I called and asked for exactly what I was looking for of I'd get lucky. I may try them this week.

WRA I cut stock
Bid- $1,942.00
Buy Now- $2,525.00
If stock sells he'll part out the Carbine.
Wonder what the asking price is for the 'Whole' Carbine ?

eBay item number:155995860561

:bow:

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Originally Posted by TJHartley00

I was just looking through their stock yesterday. Do they have more than what's listed on the pages? I was wondering if I called and asked for exactly what I was looking for of I'd get lucky. I may try them this week.

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Tom, They often do have others and will hand pick what you want while on the phone with them. Sometimes will even message pictures to your phone if you need closeups of certain areas. Good Luck with it! - Bob

GI BOB,
What's the owners name again? He recently left me another message on the answering machine about buying more C tip Slings. I have a hard time with his accent. Calls about every 2 months. Must have me confused with some Big Shot :confused:

Charlie, I looked that up awhile back and thought I posted it here on the forum - but now can't find it. Seems like his first name is Yashi. Been dealing with a mid-west type blizzard occurring here today. Even closer to Portland, there were winds of 70-80 mph with temps in the low teens. Will look for that name again tomorrow. - Bob

@ Painter - Will PM you with his full name - Bob

We've been getting high winds and single digit temps here in northeast Ohio too. Nasty weather all over the place.

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Originally Posted by TJHartley00

I decided to take a chance since it had a 100% money back on the return policy...

The stamps looked and felt to be laser etched into the wood. Instead of being "pressed" they felt raised and very crisp. Also, I didn't catch it at first but the pistol grip had been broken off completely and then sanded and finished, while well done I knew as soon as I wrapped my hand around it that something was off about the grip. I sent it back the very next day after listing everything wrong w it. He said he was going to block me... ?*?? No loss other than I'm still looking for a I cut Winnie stock and a type II trigger housing ?

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I was just looking through their stock yesterday. Do they have more than what's listed on the pages? I was wondering if I called and asked for exactly what I was looking for of I'd get lucky. I may try them this week.

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I am not sure, their inventory is constantly changing. I would call and ask. They are very helpfull

Good point Charlie. A lot of new guys have no idea about the fake wood stamps sets that were sold years ago. Winchester stocks have very deep clean stamps that endure. Beyond that a unique Winchester shape as well.