Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2013)
Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2013)
A new addition this year is the .22 comp/shoot at 25/50 yds/mtr please see the bottom of this thread,
A world wide Milsurp Target competition/shoot, open to all Milsurps members, its not so much a competition but to see how each Milsurp rifle shoot.
There are many competitions we can't get to or would like to take part in but are sometimes the wrong date, place, time, also the categories may be not for our choice of milsurp, example being a WW1 Milsurp comp, its ok if you have a dated rifle but for someone who may be out that date range then it becomes a bit of a pain.
It’s a basic comp with minimum rules and it's based on KISS, ( keep it simple stupid)
Any Milsurp Rifle as issued or in line with the categories listed, common sense will tell you what one.
Any desired position prone, bench, (standing if it really floats your boat !)
Sling, or rest of any description, but as it’s a milsurp NO bipod unless it was issued with it.
The Distance is a 100 mtrs/ 100 yrds, as I would think most can get to a 100 mtr range, whatever corner of the world you are in.
The ammo is up to the individual, home made. Factory, jacketed, cast etc, its your rifle you decide.
Categories
1. Any action Milsurp as issued, with original iron sights. (as issued I mean as the rifle would have been, some of us may of changed wood or a barrel etc, but these must be original items, but the bedding of barrels is also allowed)
2. Same as above, but any iron sights.
3. Same as 1, but with scope, any scope permitted.
4. Open to any converted milsurp, either in Calibre, barrel, any sight, iron or scope and bipod, and this is also for any action, Martini etc…, Semi auto (if your lucky enough to have these in your part of the world) or any Milsurp variant.
5. Any Black powder (Milsurp) this includes any issued or volunteer rifle.
6. Any Military trainer (See bottom of this thread regarding for the .22 25/ 50 yds/mtr comp)
The target will be the PL7 or ISSF target cropped to fit on A4 paper which will enable us all to download and print it at home, or you may produce it to the dimensions as shown and you can put this on a backing target also as to increase the overall size etc for an aiming point. you can have 2ft x 2ft, target if you wish but the centre must be marked with the dimensions below.
Any colour disc or marker would be allowed, again its up to the shooter, If you want to make the target into a tin hat, colour it yellow, red etc, its up to you, as long as the dimensions are standard.
Additional aiming points may be used, to compensate the milsurp rifles that have the rear sight starting at 200, 300. mtrs/yrds etc.
How you manage to get 5 rounds on the target at a 100 mtrs/yrds away is up to you.
The size is as follows:
V bull = 25mm
10 ring = 50mm
9 ring = 100mm
8 ring = 150mm
7 ring = 200mm
6 ring = 250mm
5 ring = 300mm
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...ons/target.jpg
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For those of you who want the full size target in PDF format ...
(Click HERE to download target in PDF fie format)
Post pic of the card on the thread,
5 shots per card,
2 cards a year per rifle, and can enter as many rifles in each category,
The results will be posted at the end of the year, again its up to you, when you want to shoot
If you are having a good day and want to shoot all cards in one day then no probs, if you want to take part in all six then no worries, all in all common sense and honesty are the two main factors, and of course its meant to be fun, its not about being better than the next man, its what you can do with your Milsurp rifle.
For anyone with a disability and feel they are up to it, but are unsure, then please contact me.
The initial idea was to allow us ( forum Members) from all walks of life to shoot in our own time, way, position with our favourite rifles and show what can be done with an old Milsurp, plus its free and no pressure.
If you looking for gold medals, being carried round in a chair, having free drinks, expect respect and want a book written about you then, I,m sorry to say but this is NOT for you.
If you have an old Enfield, Mauser, Nagant, Springfield, Ross, Schmidt, etc…… and can hit a barn door, the size of a an A4 bit of paper at 100 mtrs then have a go. if not why not try the .22 comp/shoot below 25yds/mtr or 50 yds/mtr
comp/shoot runs between Jan -Dec
Info regarding the .22 comp/shoot 25/50 yds/mtr
This comp was talked about last year, I had a good response so its based the same as the normal categories listed above, except for category 5 this in the .22 comp/shoot will be open to any comercial .22.
In the categories above for the 100 yds/mtr comp category 6 is the smallbore or Military trainers, for anyone shooting the .22, please state category 6 and the category that relates to that .22 rifle,
So it will state 6. and one of the categories below
1. Any action Milsurp as issued, with original iron sights. (as issued I mean as the rifle would have been, some of us may of changed wood or a barrel etc, but these must be original items, but the bedding of barrels is also allowed)
2. Same as above, but any iron sights.
3. Same as 1, but with scope, any scope permitted.
4. Open to any converted milsurp, bigger shorter barrel, any sight, iron or scope and bipod, and this is also for any action, Martini etc…, Semi auto (if your lucky enough to have these in your part of the world) or any Milsurp variant.
5. Any sighted comercial rifle. (this is also for any reprodution type Military.22 rifles available)
So for example, cat 6.2 would be .22 original with a PH site or similar, 6.3 scoped .22 etc....
Targets
The target used is the ISSF target used for air pistols at 10 meters, which should be readily available in most countries, if not the link should give you the correct size target
25 yds/mtr https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....9&d=1357933469
50yds/mtr https://www.milsurps.com/attachment....0&d=1357933470
All the same as the 100yds/mtr but a mini version, and I,m sure all the poorest of us can scrape up 5 rounds of .22 :lol:
So good shooting and all the best for this year.
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First outing with the M47C sportsTer
Just tuned this (new to me) rifle in - original H&H scopeless T - sportered by Bubba. Chinese scope mount undergoing therapy and a Bausch & Lomb 3000 Elite scope. Seated bench. S&B 155grain FMJ, 52 degrees F, no wind....I'll be back -LOL
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Scope for #4 Mark 1 T back from England
I went to our 1st Military match for the new year and dialed in the scope that Mr. Laidler redid for me. The target I include is the 4th 5 shot group at 100 yards. I had 1 round left so I took another shot. To say I am happy is to understate my joy. Thanks again for the wonderful job on the scope.
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1945 No4Mk1"T" with newly restored front end and bedding.
So with a warmer weekend and a couple of free hours a mid-afternoon run out in 40 degree temps with a gusting 2-5mph wind from the 11o clock position, I set sighting targets at 100 yards on an empty range:D I have just restored the 'T's front end using NOS parts and done the best I can with bedding, draws and front triggard gaurd screw spacer setting. This was its first run out using my current favorite S&B 150 G FMJ and a seated bench position with front swivel sand bag, standard issue two point sling wrapped around my forearm, and sandbag at the butt sling swivel. I did observe some stringing and the tendency for the rifle to jump and twist to the right – I think the standard sling was too tight around my forearm (lots of layers of clothes) despite the sling being at max length. I have since procured a PH target sling which I will start with at the magazine swivel and a nice NOS leather laced recoil pad – less bouncy than the car tire version. My next target print job will be lightened to mid grey in place of black so I can see the holes during a string and make adjustments. Also in a future shoot and hopefully a report: four types of ammo to “taste test” (Kynoch’51, Privi, S&B and HPX – possibly a 5th from Radway Green).
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Grey target for 11 x 17 paper
Here is the target I messed with after the last shoot to produce a grey field and the right size trget zones on 11x17 paper (as always check it when you print it). the grey is becoming blotchy, but will support shooting, seeing (contrast) and scoring - just add a 2" bullseye sticker etc. I hope this helps!
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Warning, experimental photo attach techniques! Confusion for the "Poster"...
Romanian .22, 2nd go at an entry for this rifle, Category 6.1:
https://www.milsurps.com/asset.php?f...6&d=1369431828
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25yd photos.
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50yd.
Probably would have been better scores last week, but it was range SNAFU day, rather than computer training day.:madsmile: Much less wind then.
Link for more nonsense: Romanian .22 Training Rifle Range Outing
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New toy - targets from first sitting to zero and dope
Now exploring a Eddystone P14 with TZ sight (PH5B) at 100yds. Bright sunny day, 80degree with a persistent moderate wind blowing into my 7oclock. Zeroed with Kynoch '51 Mk7, second target S&B 180G.
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Class 1 Entry - Boer Carbine
OK, Bigduke6, prodded by you and Jmoore, here is my first entry for 2013 in Class 1. An original 1896 Boer Carbine (see Appendix in Ball, 5th Ed.) No.4114.
Looks like this:
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- Well, almost. The ring add-on to the backsight fell off, and turned out to have been superglued. Not a good idea, since the stuff is quite brittle. And most definitely not from 1896!
Shoots like this:
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A beautiful little rifle, and a pleasure to shoot.
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Class 5 - Swiss Peabody RIMFIRE !!!
I do not think that many people shoot a full-bore rifle with rimfire cartridges.
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But it's worth it!
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Calico M100 - plink - varmint - target!
In the above post, I gave my L1A1 a workout, after tuning loads for my P14, then took to plinking with the Calico M100...100 rounds of .22 in the mag, 15 turns of the magazine dial and we were in business - tin cans at 10 yards fly with the green laser, 25 yards it is "stacking em" as a tack driver with a cheap reflex sight. 100 yards the reflex dot is as big as the 12" black center...I still cannot believe I found this when I got down there - 1.8MOA!...I then finished with a rapid fire series at 18" square plates at 200 yards (TDC hold) and got entertaining "spangs" after flight time...the hunters applauded :D BTW - this is supposedly the basis for the "space laser" that "Princess Vespa" used in "Spaceballs". I hope to bring it back next year on the competition format target. :cheers:
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Oct. 43 Garand at 100 meters
First target of the year, 100 meters, off a sandbag:
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The Garand was last used in a 300 meter competition in summer 2013. My empirical correction back to 100 was way off - hence 2 sighters (yes, really 2 in one hole). A correction of 1 click left and 3 up produced the 5-shot group in the 10. It seems I need the NM 1/2' correction, or some very delicate drifting of the foresight blade. Actually, I shall do neither in a hurry, since the competition was prone with sling, no rests, and there is a slight difference in POI to shooting off a sandbag. Of course, should I come across an NM backsight assembly (= unobtanium over here) then I could play with 1/2 minute adjustments.
