Funny Reloading Article (Don't shoot Varget in the rain)

At last the Americans get even with the Australians for stealing the Americas Cup. :super:

P.S. Don't shoot this powder in the rain, your Lithgow Enfield's will explode from excess pressure. :rofl:

(For those of you who don't understand "Varget" is the Australian ADI AR2208 powder and it is made in Oz) :rolleyes:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2/Varget-1.jpg


And now the rest of the story. ;)

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../Hodgdon-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...loadinga-1.jpg

Continuation of 180 grain Sierra loads below.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...loadingb-1.jpg

Has anybody done some real accuracy testing of the 174-180gr bullets at the standard 2440fps+/- ? The IMR4007SSC looks interesting. I'm still using IMR4064, mostly because it works well enough out to 700yds or so.

I'm stupid because I like to be able to just "dial the numbers" for distance. Too much trouble keeping "40'leven" range books organized....

"American Classic", yeah, well, you know how them 'mericans are- taking credit for all the good stuff...:lol:

What do you mean American?
IMR was originated by Dupont and we all know that Dupont is not American.

Mr. jmoore

Wasn't it the original French Native Americans who invented Buffalo Ribeye Steak Au Poivre cooking it over an open camp fire and cooking the French fries in Buffalo lard.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...rench_frie.jpg

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Has anybody done some real accuracy testing of the 174-180gr bullets at the standard 2440fps+/- ? The IMR4007SSC looks interesting. I'm still using IMR4064, mostly because it works well enough out to 700yds or so.

I'm stupid because I like to be able to just "dial the numbers" for distance. Too much trouble keeping "40'leven" range books organized....

"American Classic", yeah, well, you know how them 'mericans are- taking credit for all the good stuff...:lol:

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jmoore, I'm in the same boat. I decided real early on to come up with a load that would keep true to the sights of my Lee Enfields out to 500 yards at least. I started with ADI 2208 (Varget) and looking at the listed muzzle velocities I settled on a starting load of 40gn behind Sierra Matchkings in (yep, you guessed it :rolleyes:) HXP cases- hoping to be close to 2440fps. I haven't checked the speed, but the load has proven true out to 700 yards, shooting same POI (but half the group size) as the HXP milsurp.

A couple of others using thinner walled/ lighter based Remmington cases are using 41 or 42 gns and getting the same results, so case capacity is your main variable, I'd think.

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Originally Posted by Edward Horton

Mr. jmoore

Wasn't it the original French Native Americans who invented Buffalo Ribeye Steak Au Poivre cooking it over an open camp fire and cooking the French fries in Buffalo lard.

https://www.milsurps.com/

https://www.milsurps.com/

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Don't have the faintest idea, but it looks tasty. Cut back on the lard these days, though! Never did the "teepee" thing myself, but the rest looks fairly familiar. Even have the same cast iron pot. Meat thrown over a smoldering fire before the carcass has cooled is the best!:thup:

Not quite sure how this ties in w/ Varget. (I sense another motive here, but no "duct taping" today, thanks.)
Oh, never mind!:madsmile:

Mr. jmoore

(The native American joke)

"Someone" stated that DuPont wasn't American because of its French origins, therefore the Remington's were not American because of their English origins, so therefore the Carnegie's of Pennsylvania were not American because of their Irish origins, and the Rockefeller's were not Americans because of their German origins and so on and so on.

On the other hand Mr. jmoore I'm 100% American, my real native American name is "Runswithheadspace" and my mothers maiden name was "Barfingvegemite". :rolleyes:

The bottom line in this posting is the Australians now make over 75% of the old Remington/DuPont IMR series of powders. (The remaining 25% of the powders are made in Canada by French-Canadians) :D

P.S. I also understand jmoore is a native american name that translates to "Makesbentarrows". :yikes:

Ya, figured that's where you were going. Just trying to play nice...

ETA Great Father says not to torment the wild critters. Be kind, and courteous, and don't kill them unless you intend on eating them!

Mmmm, "Makesbentarrows" trade much wampum and skins for Shoot Straight Firestick. England man call "L42a1". Now hunt for Varget!

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that Varget is what we call AR2206H?

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Originally Posted by Lithy

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that Varget is what we call AR2206H?

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Lithy

Well old buddy, looks like you owe me a jar of Vegemite :yikes:

From YOUR Australian ADI website.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DIpowder-1.jpg

Vegemite's in the mail Ed:beerchug:

Whilst the yanks wonder at varget or 2208, we here in Australia have a better powder for most of the more common shot mil calibres. It is 2209. I tried 2208 for quite awhile in different rifles but when I tried 2209 the results where mauch better. 2209 is slightly slower than 2208. i use 46.5 gns of 2209 behind a 174 SMK or Highland and get a variance of no more than 50 fps. they run at 2390-2440. Spot on mk7 ammo. I used it it my swedes when I was shooting them at a different load but equally as close to mil specs.
Less recoil, that is softer.
I zero my rifle and then the sight calibrates within i click on the Mk1 singer sight to the range wanted, can't get better than that!!
I load all my 303 service shoting ammo to that now and have converted 85% of fellow shooters to it and they can't believe the difference and much better accuracy.

Sorry Ed they don't export it yet!!

cheers
NED:beerchug::beerchug::beerchug:

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Originally Posted by trooper554877

Whilst the yanks wonder at varget or 2208, we here in Australia have a better powder for most of the more common shot mil calibres. It is 2209. I tried 2208 for quite awhile in different rifles but when I tried 2209 the results where mauch better. 2209 is slightly slower than 2208. i use 46.5 gns of 2209 behind a 174 SMK or Highland and get a variance of no more than 50 fps. they run at 2390-2440. Spot on mk7 ammo. I used it it my swedes when I was shooting them at a different load but equally as close to mil specs.
Less recoil, that is softer.
I zero my rifle and then the sight calibrates within i click on the Mk1 singer sight to the range wanted, can't get better than that!!
I load all my 303 service shoting ammo to that now and have converted 85% of fellow shooters to it and they can't believe the difference and much better accuracy.

Sorry Ed they don't export it yet!!

cheers
NED:beerchug::beerchug::beerchug:

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No Vegemite this time, you owe me a case of beer :yikes:

The powder AR2209 is sold here in the U.S. as Hodgdons H4350 :super:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...romH4350-1.jpg

http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/MSDS%20Fi...ders/H4350.pdf

I myself prefer Reloader 15, it is the same powder loaded in our 7.62 NATO M118 Special Long Range sniper ammunition. ;)

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../04/m118-1.jpg

Just out of interest sake, 2206H is very good for light loads. The word from ADI is that it is stable enough (not prone to flash over) when loaded as low as 60% of maximum for a particular projectile weight. I have loaded the 123gn Nagant .311 pills into HXP cases with only 27 grains of 2206H for my daughter to use in my No5. With the limited amount we have fired, they seem to give reasonable accuracy and no stand-out "extra loud" shots yet either.

As with all load info- this is only what I have done. Anyone wishing to do similar, I would advise to contact the tech team at the manufacturers and get it straight from the horses mouth.

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Don't have the faintest idea, but it looks tasty. Cut back on the lard these days, though! Never did the "teepee" thing myself, but the rest looks fairly familiar. Even have the same cast iron pot. Meat thrown over a smoldering fire before the carcass has cooled is the best!:thup:

Not quite sure how this ties in w/ Varget. (I sense another motive here, but no "duct taping" today, thanks.)
Oh, never mind!:madsmile:

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41.0 gns Varget/2208 is great in the 303 ive dispacted many a vegemite thief with that load:dancingbanana:,nice to see you and your wife still go camping together :cheers:

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Originally Posted by Paul B

41.0 gns Varget/2208 is great in the 303 ive dispacted many a vegemite thief with that load:dancingbanana:,nice to see you and your wife still go camping together :cheers:

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Oh, no! The secret's out!:lol:

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Originally Posted by Edward Horton

Mr. jmoore

(The native American joke)

"Someone" stated that DuPont wasn't American because of its French origins, therefore the Remington's were not American because of their English origins, so therefore the Carnegie's of Pennsylvania were not American because of their Irish origins, and the Rockefeller's were not Americans because of their German origins and so on and so on.

On the other hand Mr. jmoore I'm 100% American, my real native American name is "Runswithheadspace" and my mothers maiden name was "Barfingvegemite". :rolleyes:

The bottom line in this posting is the Australians now make over 75% of the old Remington/DuPont IMR series of powders. (The remaining 25% of the powders are made in Canada by French-Canadians) :D

P.S. I also understand jmoore is a native american name that translates to "Makesbentarrows". :yikes:

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That's my Indian name Makesbentarrows. I was given that name by heap big medicine man after last 3D shoot.:madsmile: