+1 for Starline brass. 22 cents a case, I was quoted Jan/09
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+1 for Starline brass. 22 cents a case, I was quoted Jan/09
Well, I just bought a Tok TT-33, along with a case of ammo, so I should have a 7.62x25 for a while... And I suppose cleaning the firearm after firing corrosive ammo isn't that much of an extra burden considering the dollars saved...
Stll, Atrixium's solution of getting a Norinco copy that fires 9mm, I agree - I ordered 2 M213 from CanadaAmmo :)
;) I don't find 9mm has quite the same bark as the original dog. :D:D
Besides field stripping and cleaning is (to me at least) a piece of cake. IMHO :D
I like the bark and the fire I get from the 7.62x25 myself but my range doesn't so much. The VP in charge of the range just about filled his shorts when I pulled the trigger and they banned my Tok from the range :(
I'm getting the 9mm conversion so I can go back since the Tok is my only handgun at the moment and they're the only handgun range within a reasonable distance. They've pretty well got me by the short and curlies :\
Wow, that sucks. Is there a reason, other than scary gun and giiirrrrly vp, for banning it? Some ranges might have cal/bullet restictions placed on them by cfo.
You hit the nail right on the head there! I wasn't even using FMJs, they were hollowpoints :dunno:
They do have some calibre restrictions, but a lot of the guys there like shooting their .40 .45 cal revolvers and I have a hard time believing my little Tok has more punch that a .45 :rolleyes:
When I bought my Type 54 from Marstar, 2 years ago, I aslo bought a 9mm barrel/magazine. Both the gun (of course new in the box) and the 9mm "combo" cost me 250$ + tax.
Had I known, I'd have bought an original WW2 TT-33. :mad: They are on sale between 250$ and 260$ here in Canada. :bitch: :banghead:
http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/pistol.htmltradeexcanadaQuote:
(PSAR842)- Russian Army Issue Tokarev TT-33 Pistol, Cal. 7.62x25 mm semi-auto, Izhevsk Arsenal dated 1944, Made in Soviet Russia, comes with holster and spare mag, similar to the one in photo, Nice bore, restricted, similar to the one in photos. Condition: VG, $250.00 Can + shipping. (Canadian F.A.C. or P.A.L. required).
I will probably never shoot my Type 54 anyway. I just bought it for collection.
Hell, I'd even trade mine with the 9mm barrel/mag for an original WW2 (not post war) TT-33 in good shape with the same accessories as PSMilitaria offers!
Oh, BTW, I found an article on the conversion of .223 brass into 7.62x25mm
Of course, I can not personnally garantee the safety or the exactitude of this article so, those who have done such a conversion before, please DO correct this article if need be.Quote:
I pulled this off of the net at rec.guns. It is for 7.62x25 Tok, but the same procedure shoud work for 7.63x25 or 30 Mauser. -FALphil
D. Reloading Information by Calibre
5. CZ-52 7.62x25 Czech Brass Manufacturing
by Randy C. Davis (rcdavis@flash.net)
from: rec.guns FAQ: VII.D.5. 7.62x25 Czech Brass Manufacturing
In my area, DFW, reloadable 7.62x25 brass is hard to obtain or very costly. Consequently, I worked up a procedure for making brass from 223 cases. These are readily obtained at many ranges by simply picking them up off the ground. In my case I reload for the 223 and can use cases that have dinged case mouths that are suitable for full 223 loads. While you might not want to use range pick-ups in your match H-bar these cases are by and large very suitable for 7.62x25 pistol brass. I have also used the same procedure with 222 and 222 Rem. Mag. brass with equal success. This procedure takes a lot of time but only has to be done once to obtain a batch of reloadable brass. Cases can also be made from 9mm magnum brass at somewhat less trouble but higher brass cost.
The procedure is as follows:
1. Cut-off the 223 cases to .99" with a tube cutter (available from your favorite hardware store).
2. Form the bottle neck by running into 30 mauser resizing die (Lee) Since the time I bought my dies, Lee has come out with a 30 Tokerev die. This should be even better but the 30 Mauser die works well enough so that I haven't invested in a "real" 30 Tokerev die. These cases need to be run up into the die as far as possible so that the neck is in the proper place for functioning. My brass had previously had the primer pockets reamed so this was not required with this batch of brass.
3. Trim cases to proper overall length (I use .975")
4. Run the cases into the 30 mauser expanding die
5. Outside neck turn to a wall thickness of 0.010". It's real important stay off the shoulder with the neck turning tool. I stuck the neck of a broken case in my chamber like by cutting into the shoulder which resulted in a ruptured case. It would also be possible to inside neck ream the cases but I haven't the tooling for inside neck reaming.
The only sources of reloading data that I have found are in "Cartridges of the World" and the new Accurate Arms reloading manual. No sooner than I had got these cases loaded but Gun World runs an article (August, 94) on reloading for the CZ52 by Dean Grennell. He advocates using AA#9 which but doesn't list any loads. It is possible to work up loads with AA#9 but they are not sanctioned by any load book of which I am aware.
In any event I can report on results with AA#7 and three different bullets-a 110g .308" dia. Rem JSP presumably designed for the 30 carbine, a .312" dia. 95g lead SWC which I use in 32 S&WL, and a .312" dia. 85g LRN bullet also for the 32 S&W long. The groove diameter in my barrel runs .3115" so 32 bullets should be OK in my gun. Proper jacketed 308 diameter bullets are availale from Old Western Scrounger but run more than $0.12/ea. All lead bullets were tumble lubed with liquid alox in addition to the wax lube and I used Winchester Small Pistol primers. Velocities are as follows:
S&B Factory Ball 1517 fps
110g JSP 7.0g AA#7 1140
85g LRN 7.0g AA#7 1224
95g LSWC 7.0g AA#7 1072
85g LRN 7.5g AA#7 1280
95g LSWC 7.5g AA#7 1198
I detected no pressure signs with considerable amounts of test firing for these particular loads. Every load functioned the pistol OK, however, the LSWC bullets will not seat properly with my die set and I intend to discontinue using anything except round nose bullets. The 85g LRN is my basic plinking load. The velocity on the 110g JSP is somewhat disappointing and I don't think I will buy any more. I was able to duplicate the S&B velocites with AA#9.
Grennell's CZ52 also functioned with old REM 30 Mauser factory loads. Mine would not function with loads made up from Remington 30 Mauser brass. He also got better velocities than I did. This suggests to me that each CZ52 is a law unto itself. Numerous people have pointed out that 7.62x25 brass can also be made from 9mm magnum brass more easily than 223 brass. While this is probably true, 9mm brass runs about $0.25/case and is hard to find without mail ordering.
Mandatory Warning: Slug your bore before using .312 lead bullets in a 7.62x25. Do not use these loads in the Tokarev pistol. These loads are near or at max. and appear to be safe in MY pistol. Work up for your pistol and verify these loads in the Accurate Arms manual before proceeding.
Anybody loaded any sabots for a cz52? I've got a few rounds of Winchester brass primed, some 223 bullets (pick a weight), the boots (plastic wads) and several different powders. I'm a bit reluctant to just start "working up" blindly. I welcome your input.
Recipe's anyone?
I'll answer my own question @ Load Data .This site lists numerous loads and powders for the 7.62 x 25 .