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  1. The ONG had quite a few military shotguns,...

    The ONG had quite a few military shotguns, possibly for guarding defense plants in the State during WWII. They used to turn up at the Ohio Gun Collectors show fairly often, sometimes new in box,...
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    I have owned two real ones. But as a long time...

    I have owned two real ones.
    But as a long time trench collector I can say that I am only aware of around a dozen in existence in the world.
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    I think this has gone off topic a little....

    I think this has gone off topic a little.
    Shooting an original real 97 trench is nuts. The guns are just too expensive to risk damage. Recently some have sold for over $10,000
    OTOH, an original M97...
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    When I saw them advertised, I knew I had to have...

    When I saw them advertised, I knew I had to have one.
    Then I saw one.
    To say they screwed it up would be an understatement.
    Remember, this is an "official" factory gun.
    So, here is the issue:...
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    The adapter is fake possibly an original lug but...

    The adapter is fake possibly an original lug but the fence is repro and has no real value. This gun is not WWI vintage the trench guns run from approx 670000 to 704000 your number is much earlier....
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    Here is what I think. This may have been a...

    Here is what I think. This may have been a leftover receiver that Winchester sold after the war as a commercial gun. The serial would be the highest trench ever reported and I dont think for thst...
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    EXACTLY correct. And it is very doubtful the one...

    EXACTLY correct. And it is very doubtful the one you were looking at was a military rebuild. Most of the parked 97 trenchguns out there were done to cover up the extreme poor condition. And the...
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    I forgot the TE. I have seen a bunch of those.

    I forgot the TE. I have seen a bunch of those.
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    M97's were not formally rebuilt, although some...

    M97's were not formally rebuilt, although some may have been redone from time to time. At the end of WWII the 97 was declared "obsolete" and "removed" from inventory, although it is known that some...
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    Examine the bayonet very carefully. Most of the...

    Examine the bayonet very carefully. Most of the Canadian Arsenal bayonets were demilled, and most of the ones out there are re-welds.
    An uncut CA is probably worth more than that heatshield.
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    The handguards turn up on there all the time. No...

    The handguards turn up on there all the time. No one knows what they are. Look for the inside lip.
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    The heatshields turn up all the time. I think...

    The heatshields turn up all the time. I think there is one online someplace, maybe gunbroker, and I saw a barrel advertised the other day. Look on gunbroker, auction arms, arms america.
    And thanks...
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    I saw one for sale on the net over the weekend....

    I saw one for sale on the net over the weekend. Try gunbroker.
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    The mag tube is not correct. You have been up...

    The mag tube is not correct.
    You have been up here for a while doing anything you can to validate your guns. Not working.
    And you don't know me personally, don't use my name.
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    Who cares? ---------- Post added at 09:34 PM...

    Who cares?

    ---------- Post added at 09:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:33 PM ----------

    In fact, the bottom gun appears to have an incorrect magazine tube, to go along with the...
  16. Now I am ****ed: I only got $5k for mine

    Now I am ****ed: I only got $5k for mine
  17. The description is right on. That is amazing...

    The description is right on. That is amazing money. Of course, you need to examine the gun or have good closeup pictures to determine if there is anything funky about it. At that price level, it...
  18. That looks totally legit. Probably a riot barrel...

    That looks totally legit. Probably a riot barrel that was converted. Whether it was done by Winchester I can't say, the pinch marks would bother me, the filled front sight hole is fine.
  19. Actually, most of the later trenchguns have a...

    Actually, most of the later trenchguns have a front sight hole that is filled with a german silver plug. That plug was turned down on a lathe, and you can see the lathe marks on a real one. However,...
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    What you are missing is that it is a Kleins gun.

    What you are missing is that it is a Kleins gun.
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    The ending number is around 1035000 with the last...

    The ending number is around 1035000 with the last approx 3500-5000 being Factory Parkerized. The beginning number is around 980000 (that is very approx).
    Your gun falls within his range so I am not...
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    The P on the barrel is not correct for factory...

    The P on the barrel is not correct for factory original. It would be a flaming bomb.
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    I have seen many of those long barreled guns, and...

    I have seen many of those long barreled guns, and I think they are probably blanket procurement guns. The P proof possibly indicates they were test/proof fired and passed. They were not combat guns,...
  24. SARCO has repro Winchester heat shields that are...

    SARCO has repro Winchester heat shields that are actually very well finished and fitted.
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    I am going to tell you what I think you have...

    I am going to tell you what I think you have there:
    I think it is an original WWII riot gun that was reworked at Rock Island. I have run into a handful of early riot guns with similar marks. The...
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