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    Need help identifing a possible NM Garand

    I am new to this so I don't know if I am posting this correctly. However, I just picked up a M1icon Garand which has a number of NM marked parts and need help determining if it is a real NM or just a bunch of parts. Here is a brief summary of the parts on the gun:
    Receiver: Springfield Armory SN. 5931989
    Barrel: SA F7791035 P T 1 63 Y9 P M DOD eagle all at chamber, NM stamped 3" back from muzzle on left side
    Gas Cyl.: NM stamped on bottom of rear tang
    Front sight: NM/.062 stamped on right side
    Bolt: 6528287-SA A15
    Op-rod: 7790722-SA with NM stamped on top by handle
    Stock has epoxy bedding inside
    Front hand guard is glued to lower band
    Any help would be appriciated or if anyone knows a service which can research this.
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    It sounds like an N.M. but without seeing it it's hard to say. The whole thing could be like you say, an accumulation of parts. Why not show us? The word picture sounds right though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    It sounds like an N.M. but without seeing it it's hard to say. The whole thing could be like you say, an accumulation of parts. Why not show us? The word picture sounds right though...
    I will try to figure out how to attach some photo's. Were there ever records kept of serial numbers used for NM builds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    It sounds like an N.M. but without seeing it it's hard to say. The whole thing could be like you say, an accumulation of parts. Why not show us? The word picture sounds right though...
    I hope pick will attach...

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    The stock looks pretty crude but the marks look right. Like I say, there are others here that will be along to confirm for sure. I don't think there's a serial block to refer to for information. They were done on a need or want basis.
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    NM?

    Looks like a service shop match gun, not SA NM. The bedding is not typical SA and you do not mention white serial digits in the barrel channel and on the trigger housing.
    Real men measure once and cut.

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    Congrats, nice rifle. how does it shoot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Seijasicon View Post
    Looks like a service shop match gun, not SA NM. The bedding is not typical SA and you do not mention white serial digits in the barrel channel and on the trigger housing.
    I purchased this gun at the CMPicon north store so I assume it is a Greek return. It had a complete WWII trigger group in it and a service rear sight. It was covered in grease and it was obvious it had seen normal service duty from the condition of the wood. The stock has the last 4 digits of the SN etched (not painted) in the channel of the butt stock. The wood is so rough (but I believe original) that I am refinishing it. To me it looks like a nice gun treated bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil McGrath View Post
    Congrats, nice rifle. how does it shoot?
    Have not shot it yet. The muzzle gages 1.25 and the throat gages 3.75 The bore is clean and bright and the stock lockup is tight so I am hoping it will shoot good. Might need to seat the bullets a little long for the throat...

    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Seijasicon View Post
    Looks like a service shop match gun, not SA NM. The bedding is not typical SA and you do not mention white serial digits in the barrel channel and on the trigger housing.
    Agree about the stock bedding not being SA but is there any chance that this was originally a 1963 NM rifle in the hands of a military team and restocked and bedded by military AMU ??? WW2 trigger housing and standard rear sights could have been replacements when in Greek hands.
    Last edited by Joe W; 10-21-2012 at 09:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe W View Post
    Agree about the stock bedding not being SA but is there any chance that this was originally a 1963 NM rifle in the hands of a military team and restocked and bedded by military AMU ??? WW2 trigger housing and standard rear sights could have been replacements when in Greek hands.
    Joe thank you for your comments. That is a possibility that the AMU upgraded it. From my reading, many of the parts which came on it would have been 1962-1963 vintage upgrades which could have been done at SA or some other facility. Being that I got the gun directly from CMPicon, it must never have been in civilian hands. So like you say a AMU may have done the upgrade. As I mentioned earlier the stock has the last 4 digits of the SN etched (I think) in the channel. Is that something the AMU would do? The barrel chamber is in the white and the condition of the barrel and receiver finish is a matching worn dark grey/green look. The barreled receiver looks original for a 1963 rebuild. In fact all the parts have significant worn finish, especially the stock wood. I understand the rear match sight and match trigger group being replaced if put in the hands of ground troops, the big question is why did it go to Greece in the first place (I assume it is one of the Greek returns)?

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