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    Anybody collect trainers?

    I have a Model 11 trainer that I have decided to get rid of. It doesn't fit my collection and it poses a problem within itself. I'll explain: It is pristine in every sense of the word. It literally looks like it just rolled off of the production line. The paper in the fore arm showing the ring set up is even perfect so it's not a new production stock. However, it has a full length barrel that is NOT military marked. The strange thing is that the barrel itself is also absolutely flawless. I broke it down and the part that slides into the receiver doesn't have so much as mark on it. No carbon staining or anything. So the condition matches which makes me believe they have been paired together for quite some time. The gentleman I bought it off of says that it has been in a safe for as long as anyone can remember in the same configuration and condition. The numbers on the barrel do not match the gun but I'm kind of at a loss as to what to do with it. I considered looking for another pristine barrel that is marked. Maybe I'll find one strapped to a unicorn as it flies over my house.
    I feel like even though it is not "correct" that these two (barrel and receiver) have obviously been together for a very long time and tell a story of their own. What would you guys do? I don't want to sell myself short on the value of the gun if I resell it as is because it is not collectible. But at the same time I feel like if I pop another barrel in it somewhere a puppy will die because of what I have done. Advice???
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    I have No.2, no.7, no.8. Plus a 1913 navy trainer from a metford. WHAT is a No. 11? I gotta research. gary

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    My apologies for not being more specific. I'm referring to a Remington Model 11 used for arial gunner training.

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    Probably a dumb question, did you check the serial number on the barrel to see if it matches the receiver?

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    Yes I did, and no they don't. I spoke with an acquaintance of mine who is a big historical collector on a pretty advanced level and deals in historical arms. He said that though most collectors will view it not being "as collectible", the barrel has most likely been with that gun since it came into government service. He said that when you are talking about an older gun, condition will tell you a lot. And when the barrel and the receiver match as perfectly as they do and are both about the same age, then it's a pretty safe bet that they have been together the same amount of time. That all sounds very plausible and pairs well with what I was told about the gun from the seller. I'm terrible about posting pics but I will make an effort to get some up for you all to see and you can judge for yourself so you can form a better opinion.
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    Hi nhetzer

    Just curious what markings are on your barrel.
    I had a matching Remington Model 11 trainer and I still had some detailed photos of it on my hard drive, so I uploaded them for comparison.

    The gun I had was also in very good condition. I figured since they were a little unusual, or special purpose, some of them were just put away and not used much.

    I have also read that some of these were only used to shoot skeet with, so they didn't get the usual bumps and bruises many weapons receive in military service.

    If your barrel doesn't have these type of markings, I wonder if it might have been an arsenal replacement barrel from the period, thus having the same 'age' as the rest of the gun (?)
    If this is the case, possibly the original barrel was damaged in some way when the gun was new and not replaced because of wear.

    I hope this is helpful in some way

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    Thanks for the info and the pics Harlan. I'll have to check the markings on my barrel and compare. Yours is in pretty good shape but you will see what I mean when I say that it is pristine once I post some pics. What you say makes sense and I believe that this was most likely meant to be used as a trainer or for MWR and sat in a safe or gun locker all it's life and eventually ended up in my hands. I'll try to get the pics up tonight.

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    Man, if it's even better I'm looking forward to seeing it! I saw one recently (M 11 trainer) that was still in the original Remington box, and it still had a pre-war hunting scene on it and it was correct.
    Don't give up on yours just yet!

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    Did the military ever install Cutts Compensators on the Mod 11???

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    Don't know...

    ..if the military did. It would be hard to prove it was done by them or bubba. Now , the factory did it , and the military bought some of them. Those are easy to spot because , being adjustable as far as the choke tubes , Remington did not stamp a choke size on those bbls.
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