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    Do it NOW, while you can..............

    Just a thought while re-reading this thread. Anyone that has one, ordered one or is even thinking of getting one of these commercial L1A1 rifles should get hole of the UKicon spec user handbook and if possible, a copy of the UK Military EMER. The last ones I saw in service here was in about 1993 and Armourers that know about these things (.....I don't mean those who have read about them...) are getting old.

    Just to reiterate.............. get a user handbook and EMER NOW, while you can.

    Have you got any of this stuff Brian at BDLicon?

    Here's one for the other Armourers out there........ What spare parts should owners of these commercial L1's be keeping handy.

    Magazine catch, spring and axis pin, set of return springs....... anything else?
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    Some other parts to consider:-
    Pin, Firing (1005-99-960-3116)
    Spring, Firing Pin (1005-99-960-3117)
    Pin, Retaining Firing Pin (1005-99-960-2322)
    Body, Holding Open Catch (1005-99-960-0275)

    Screw, Foresight (x2) (1005-99-960-2016)
    Foresight (1005-99-960-2014)

    Original 1977 L1A1 Handbook
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    OLD!!!!!
    Thanks for that Peter …………….
    As these weapons are manually operated and will require to be cocked more often,
    I would look at getting a spare stud for the cocking handle, possibly a spare cocking handle (depending on how worn the “original” one is )
    Full set of wood furniture and a Hythe rear sight, (to blend in with the regiments shooting team)

    I remember….. (its hard when your this OLD)
    I did change/re-rivet quite a few rats tails (return spring rod on the carrier) due to them been bent, it could have been an Artillery thing.

    We got rid of the last of our L1A1s in the mid 1990s at the Guards Depot. They used them as enemy/demonstration weapons.
    The Depot was also one of the first units to get the L85A1 (SA80) there was a lot less work to do on the old SLR’s

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    Hi Peter,

    Pretty good advice as I had been giving some thought already on what spares would be good to carry as well as finding a Gunsmith capable of working on the L1A1.

    I had bookmarked SAF Lithgowicon and Numrich Gun Parts having done a search and found that they both held quite extensive parts for the L1A1, hopefully both will ship to the UKicon. The next thing was to try and establish what would be good to carry as spares but I wanted to wait and see what parts had been changed in the L1A1's that we will be getting to establish if Inch or Metric parts would be needed. I also have the AGI FN FAL DVD which is a great source of info regarding stripping the rifle and should be of benefit should I need to carry out any minor repairs. There are a couple of sites in the US selling the manuals and once again, I am awaiting info regarding shipping to the UK.

    Cheers

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    SAF Lithgowicon will not ship to the UKicon, Numrich will but put a $25 handling fee onto international orders and like most US sites will not ship over $100 worth at a time. Brad at gunthings .com will ship, but has a limited number of parts, I've just received my butt removal tool from him, took about a week.
    Good hunting,
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    Sems like most of you 'Old Sweats' have missed the obvious! Ha, Ha!

    What about: An Extractor, Extrcator Stay & Spring? SURELY you remember the 'User' attempting to remove these for thorough cleaning & 'PING'! they shot across the sky & got lost in the grass on the ranges!

    Not an easy set of componants to remove if you havent done a few! BUT, essential Periodically to remove the build up of crud under the extractor claw. & also around the stay & its locating hole in the block. Excessive Crap in the boring will prevent the stay compressing sufficiently occassionaly. & either a componant will let go & fracture. Or you will get extraction 'Difficulties'!

    Just a thought!......................

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    If your going to remove these:-
    Extractor (1005-99-960-2320)
    Plunger, Extractor (1005-99-960-2323)
    Spring Extractor (1005-99-960-2105)

    Then you are going to need one of these

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    Ah yes tankhunter … but at this age the mind wanders….

    With everyone wanting to remove their extractors, it could be a good time to get all my armourers to complete there “trade test” and produce the extractor removing tool….

    Also people may need rear sight screws and “Z” springs..

    You could try DS-Solutions in Kent for some SLR spares and tools. The web site is under construction (again) but if you ask they may have what you want..

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    Skippy, Youmay remember that these tools simply make life much easier for the Armourer. AND the benifit of CONTROLED removal of the componants.
    to save time, I USUALY remove the extractor assy with the combination tool.

    For those of you who are NOt familiar with extractor stripping procedures:
    The Brit combination tool, has a small stud projection near the end with the swivelling threaded bit for the chamber brush.
    this stud is placed in the hole in the extractor stay & the stay pulled back. (It's a strong spring!) Suffciently to remove the extractor claw. Then pressure released under control & you can remove the stay & opperating spring. It is probably best for first timers. To put a rag or a cloth over the whole assembly & also your hands. this would prevent loss of any componants in the event of a 'PING' if the stud slips out of the stay & shoots forward & out!

    of course, this was the original method of removal as written in the user handbook. BUT, discouraged later on as troops LOST a LOT of extractor parts!
    Armourer ONLY job from then on! Ha Ha.

    ---------- Post added at 03:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by nzl1a1collector View Post
    If your going to remove these:-
    Extractor (1005-99-960-2320)
    Plunger, Extractor (1005-99-960-2323)
    Spring Extractor (1005-99-960-2105)

    Then you are going to need one of these
    https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...tortools-1.jpg
    The Armourer Instuction Model, refered to. Is actually a Britishicon Armourers Hand made tool. These were made in the General Engineering wing when a trainee Armourer was going through the training school & onto actual Weapon Instruction later on. As Armourers are known (Then) for fine fitting & precision work. It was deemed usefull that if they were learning about metal properties, Bench Fitting & Filing Etc. One of the Trade Test pieces would be a metal Tool they had to make to an engineering drawing. They were marked on this test piece. And at the end of that training period in Gen Eng Wing, the tool would actually perform a usefull role later on when he was at a unit. There are quite a few around & ALL vary on quality & finish, as it was an individual effort in every case. But they all LOOKED similar & did the job required of them.

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    In case someone feels like taking the on the challenge of making an 'Armourers Instructions' Extractor Tool.




    I have a good collection of 'Locally made' Armourers tools, but there is one that is over engineering at its best and has no practical purpose. This must be a 'Trade Test Piece' and I love it for what it is.






    If anyone has any 'locally made' or even production Armourers tools for the L1A1 they no longer use or want, I would love to add them to the collection
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