Dec 1st, 2007 - Firearms Marking Regulations (SOR/2004-275)

[Badger]

Unless the government announces a further delay, the new U.N. sponsored gun marking regulations are scheduled to come into effect as of December 1st, 2007.

The legislation, which was passed during the previous Liberal government and is known as Bill C-10A, will require all newly manufactured or imported firearms be marked with the letters "CA 07" in addition to the pre-existing serial number. The marking requirement is in compliance with a United Nations treaty which seeks to add a country code to each firearm in an attempt to trace the illicit trafficking of firearms to war zones in third world countries. Apparently no other countries have adopted it and its implementation was delayed when the CPC initally came to power.

Firearms Marking Regulations (SOR/2004-275) (click here)

There is an option to apply for an exemption... Sub-section 4 (click here).

Note sub section 4. (3) (c) and (d)

4. (3) In the case of an imported firearm, the Registrar, on application by the individual, business or public service agency that is importing it, shall grant the applicant an exemption from the requirement set out in paragraph (2)(c) if

(a) marking the firearm in a place that is visible only by disassembling the firearm is consistent with the current practices of the manufacturer of that model of firearm;

(b) the firearm does not provide a visible space suitable to stamp or engrave the markings;

(c) the firearm is rare;

(d) the firearm is of a value that is unusually high for that type of firearm and that value would be significantly reduced if the markings were visible without disassembly; or

(e) the firearm is imported by a business that holds a licence for the purpose of using the firearm in respect of motion picture, television, video or theatrical productions or in publishing activities.

I understand from discussions with Questar (click here), that when they queried the Department of Justice on this exemption procedure, there doesn't appear to be one in place.

So, I'd recommend that if any of you are importing a valuable and collectible milsurp, you contact the Department of Justice (click here) and get on their case about obtaining an exemption. In fact, the more of you that overwhelm them with requests, the more likely they are to get something in-place, or perhaps we might even get a further delay in the implementation of this useless legislation.

Regards,
Badger

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[Claven2]

I almost can't wait for this to come into force. I'm going to import some "rare" guns JUST so I can apply. Then when they delay and delay, I'm going to write to the Minister AND do an ATIP.

Civil servants hate nothing more than Briefing notes to the Minister and ATIP requests.

[Badger]

I've heard a few people reference Stockwell Day, indicating he said he was going to delay implementation of this legislation. I have not been able to verify if this is true. So, if anyone has an "official source" or government press release supporting Stockwell Day's rhetoric, a link would be good.

As of today, any dealer or importer contacting the CFC or DOJ are being told that the legislation is taking effect Dec 1st as passed.

One area to watch is the DOJ legal page, where the current legislation information has a "caveat" at the top of each page as follows:

Not in force

Firearms Marking Regulations

I suppose if they remove the "Not in force" phrase on Dec 1st, then that's the answer.

Regards,
Badger

[Badger]

Just noticed the bottom section of the legislation page.....

COMING INTO FORCE (click here)

6. These Regulations come into force on December 1, 2007.

SOR/2005-242, s. 1.

So, I guess the "Not in force" phrase is academic to the discussion ....

Regards,
Badger

[Sigismund]

What a great policy implecation. Now the UN can help fight gang crime in the the GTO

The thinking behind such policies are simply mindblowingly idiotic. Can these people tie their own shoes? Let alone mingle in public without an adult present to guide them...

Stockwell day would be very wise to delay the implecation, indefinatly, if he wihes to appeal to his voter base.

[aacollectible]

I contacted the Department of Justice, and this is the answer I got from them (copied and pasted):

Hello,
Unfortunatly, the Department of Justice Canada is not responsible for matters relating to your request. You will have to contact the Canada Firearms Centre at www.cfc-cafc.ca for more information on your request including how to contact them.
Unfortunately, there is no further assistance that Justice Canada may provide to you in your below request.
Regards,
Web Administrator/Administrateur du site Web
Department of Justice / Ministère de la Justice
284 Wellington Street/284 rue Wellington
Ottawa (Ontario) K1A 0H8
webadmin@justice.gc.ca
Department of Justice Canada - Ministère de la justice Canada

[Badger]

To follow up on aacollectible's post .....

As an authorized verifier, I wrote to the CFC though my internal network to try and get a clarification as to the process for exemptions.

At this point, I have yet to get an answer from anyone. My guess is they have no idea what to do and probably are as much in the dark about this legislation as the rest of us.

Regards,
Badger

[Sigismund]

To follow up on aacollectible's post .....

As an authorized verifier, I wrote to the CFC though my internal network to try and get a clarification as to the process for exemptions.

At this point, I have yet to get an answer from anyone. My guess is they have no idea what to do and probably are as much in the dark about this legislation as the rest of us.

Regards,
Badger

I think you are spot on.

If anyone recalls my mile long posts many months ago regarding the new dewatting procedures.

The simple word dewatt confused them. And if you ask anyone within the CFC regarding any forms, procedures or let alone the definition of a liscensed gunsmith you will get a differnt answer.

[longbranch*]

Has been defered to December,2009.........yeah us!

Geoff

[Badger]

Has been defered to December,2009.........yeah us!

Geoff

Thanks for the heads up Geoff ....

Update: Firearms Marking Regulations Deferred until December 1, 2009 (click here)

Firearms Marking Regulations

November 29th, 2007

The Government of Canada announced the deferral of implementation of the Firearms Marking Regulationsto December 1, 2009.

The regulations include specific marking requirements for firearms manufactured in Canada or imported into Canada after the coming-into-force date.

For more information, you can contact us by one of the following methods:

telephone: 1 800 731-4000 (Toll Free)

web site: Canada Firearms Centre Welcome Page | Page d'accueil - Centre des armes à feu Canada

e-mail: cfc-cafc@cfc-cafc.gc.ca

Regards,
Badger