What was this? No SN Springfield??

[Arisaka99]

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=9192643

M1C test rifle? Franken-gun?

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[Rick B]

It may be something rare as no one caught the No Trap plate on the back on other forums that talked about it. Tiger stripes like that were on special rifles also so without digging deeper no one will really know. I would like to think it is rare and not a put together. Rick B

[Calif-Steve]

Franken-Garand. Great description by seller. Note description of manufacturer. Also note 17 bids.

[Bill Hollinger]

No serial number??? The stampings on the heal don't look right either. Font is wrong. Fishy!

[Arisaka99]

I was surprised not to see it discussed here. I waited until the auction closed to post in case someone was bidding from here. Lots of folks on the CMP Garand page opining, but not many seemed "informed" (one or two). The M1C mount looks correct to me (as much as can be seen?). I think the "not sure who made receiver" from seller says something by omission.

[da gimp]

Is he quoting the heat lot # on right leg as the serial #? Just a WAG. bells ringing here, lights flashing, something ain't kosher.

da gimp

OFC, Mo. Chapter

[Texasflyboy]

bells ringing here, lights flashing, something ain't kosher.

All of these auctions, when silent on the provenance, are learning opportunities. The student is the winner, but the educated are the folks who get to learn by the student's experience. An education is in progress.

Value and provenance go hand in hand. One cannot exist without the other.

And what I've remembered from auctions, and post auction analysis over the years is this hard learned lesson:

"If there is doubt, there is no doubt".

[mark1]

What is so strange is the company has been around since 1959. That is 40 years. He does not know who made the receiver and as dagimp says, he is using the drawing number as the serial number. So in 40 years of business this is the first Garand he has seen???

[Rick B]

Those markings are rolled as the metal is pushed out of the letters from pressure and no serial number was put on then final buffing. The receiver is a square cut matching the presentation No Trap stock so the mount and butt plate alone are worth more than the auction sales price. The Stock is worth more by itself so in reality you could have parts this rifle out for a few thousand easily but I still think it is a Springfield made rifle having no serial number and was used in testing.

I also have a many receiver pictures showing SA changed there lettering many times and this one falls right in there.

I hope the new owner can let us know. Rick B

[Texasflyboy]

What is so strange is the company has been around since 1959. That is 40 years. He does not know who made the receiver and as dagimp says, he is using the drawing number as the serial number. So in 40 years of business this is the first Garand he has seen???

Dury's knows M1's. They know what they have. Or don't. Or they are just unsure. Or they know and don't want to say. Or, they want to say, but don't know.

When a dilemma exists like that, the surest way to avoid a conflict (or a lawsuit) is to just stay silent and let the audience fill in the missing information.

Happens all the time in movies. Our imagination can be more powerful than any description.

Dury's isn't new on the block. One of the oldest existing gunshops in San Antonio Texas. If they didn't spell out the description in the auction there was a very good reason, which to me, is a red flag. Their silence speaks volumes more than any description.