The Truth About 308 Win and 762 NATO
A little info that some people might find interesting that is not over exaggerated or based on urban myth.
The Truth About 308 Win and 762 NATO
http://home.comcast.net/~ehorton/The...d 762 NATO.pdf
Is it safe to shoot 308 Winchester in a rifle chambered for 7.62 NATO?
What about 7.62 in a 308?
By Jim Bullock
07-29-2009 09:00 PM
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Welcome back Ed.
I’ll be honest I don’t know what to think here. This looks exactly like the kind of post that earned you your little holiday. Those posts disrupted this forum and in honesty I’m not sure they fit the scope of a collector oriented website. If this were say a competitive shooting site I feel the content would be more relevant. Yes we have many collectors who also shoot their 7.62mm NATO chambered Enfields BUT the information as presented has been confusing to the point of being useless because of the arguing and combative nature of the posts. Even the information from the link you posted isn’t from an expert.
OK here is how we are going to handle this. The .308W vs. 7.62mm issue has grown to the point of being an urban legend and left many shooters confused and wondering if their rifle is safe to shoot. Unfortunately the internet has only added to the confusion and I don’t want this site to be part of the problem. If someone wishes to post below me in this thread I will expect empirical data as related by experts. I will not accept cut and past copies of what looks like home made charts from other un-named websites with no references to their source. To be a credible expert I would have to say someone would have to be ether in the field of munitions testing or some kind of proof house. If you feel you can meet these criteria please feel free to post here but be forewarned I will not allow this to degrade into a battle of personalities. If you have an ax to grind find your self another stone as I will not put up with it.
Additionally it might be a good idea to reread the forum rules to avoid misunderstandings.
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If you take the time to look in Badgers “Lee Enfield On-line Knowledge Libraries” (Index of Articles) you will see that 90% of the Enfield books and Manuals were donated by me and this includes the books by E.G.B. Reynolds and Jim Sweet.
The information posted here on the .308 and 7.62 is the most accurate anywhere on the internet and it is free of guesswork, rumors or bovine scat. The information posted here does come from munitions testing and proof houses (see table on page 5 of The Truth About 308 Win and 762 NATO) Also read what the expert Jim Bullock has to say in his article “Is it safe to shoot 308 Winchester in a rifle chambered for 7.62 NATO?”.
I collect Enfield rifles, Enfield military manuals and technical information, and any printed matter I can find related to the Enfield rifle, I do not collect rumors or myths. If my information is wrong or incorrect then prove it is wrong and do not suggest that it is just another internet rumor or guesswork.
About the author:
Jim Bullock is the grandson and son of rifle shooting competitors. Jim started with a BB gun (a daisy pump) in 1950 and received his first .22 at age 10.
He has represented Canada twelve times as a member of the Canadian rifle Team as a shooter, Coach and Team Captain.
His fullbore rifle shooting started in 1960 using the Lee Enfield #4 in 303 caliber in what was known as Service Rifle (B). That was a well-tuned rifle with a Parker Hale 5C rear sight and the standard post front sight. SR (B) was deliberate (no snap, or rapid fire) at 200 to 1,000 yards. His best shot was a pair of bullseyes fired at 1,000 yards with a 26 minute wind change between shots (that is about 260 inches or about 21 feet of windchange).
He has an extensive firearm collection including a dozen or so Lee Enfields.
Mr. Horton, you are a wonderful fount of knowledges ancient and obscure, and have a fine analytical mind, generally I enjoy your sharing with us, BUT I'm afraid you are also about the thinnest skinned bulldog I've ever run across! Please don't let some others get going 'cuz things quicky get tedious.
Sorry to air this laundry publicly, I just want to enjoy your inputs in the future!
Welcome back Mr Horton and as usuall, thankyou for another very informative posting. Being very new to the use of 7.62/ 308 (other than in MAG58's etc.) I re-read most of the available data you had posted prior so I could be sure not to damage the very rare and collectable rifle I bought a little while back (posting about it graciously permitted here, lower down the page). I wasn't keen on the idea of using surplus military ammunition, prefering to handload with premium quality components available for the .308Win calibre. From your info and input from other experienced fullbore shooters, I was confident to proceede knowing my hefty investment wasn't at risk.
Mate! Give them the documentation and let THEM decide.
We sorted the exploding coachwood theory, now do the same in a similar manner with 7.62 conversions.
Stop entering into, or starting arguements with idiots.
The internet is 99.5% BS. The people that subscribe to it as Gospel are fools.
The worst that can happen is that the general public will be so concerned with buying a 7.62 LE in the fear that it will explode in their face, is that it will drive the price down.
Good to see you back, now just chill down a little
Two things to remember:
Originally Posted by Edward Horton
1. The triangle with the exclamation mark at the top right is where you should report a post that you feel is inapropriate or breaks the rules.
2. There are two forums hosted on the same server that relate to Lee Enfields.
They are managed by different groups of moderators following similar guidelines but there are differences. For the CSP site refer to this post:
Military Surplus Collectors Forums - Announcements in Forum : SMLE (Lee Enfield)
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