EMcF stock real???? help fast

[rudy05]

guys-- need a fast word on a stock on e-bay. type in this number 300384110278. said to be found at a estate sale. ready to throw good money on this and need help--- thanks

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[Redleg]

Stock looks like it is in really good condition.
Really good condition.
Rather slab sided like a post war stock, but what do I know.

"No returns", as dead guy does not want to refund money going to pay for the casket.

I tried to apply a little knowledge from the recent cartouche test thread and did notice that the cannon ball at the top of the crossed cannons inside the circle is very round, and the real ones are not so round. I may be wrong and expect to be chastised.

The EMcF cartouche has weak crossbars on the E and the F. Not well defined and thin and wavy, like being traced and the wood was too hard. The verticle members of the E and F are stronger than the horizontal members, not consistent.
How about it guys?

The clip latch recess is not clearly presented.
Was it a long channel or a short channel? I could not quite tell.

[zaugau]

Hmm, looked pretty good at first but now I'm skeptical. The SA lettering looks too tall compared to the EMcF lettering, and the ord wheel looks too big to be a small wheel, and of course too small to be a big wheel. The top pie wedge within the wheel looks too small to me.

Also, that looks like more of a V notch behind the trigger guard instead of a U notch. Maybe an overton stock?

[Devil Dog]

I'll let others evaluate the markings.
I don't like the ad.
(1) "THIS IS A. is an original Springfield SA/EMcF Garand STOCK"
That description does not guarantee the markings are origional.
(2) Bought from a estate sale.
Breaks chain of custody
(3) Look at the sellers other items on auction. One of them is a faked Winchester stock....also bought at an "estate sale" (maybe the same estate sale)
(4) Returnable ONLY if it does not meet the DESCRIPTION.
I can see a fight here.
(5) Way too many rules and conditions.
This guy is a "pro"
As I said, I don't like the ad.

[mark1]

I believe it is a restamp. It is missing the small ordance stamp on the bottom of the wrist, the Mc does not look right.

[rudy05]

thanks guys---- i to had a doubt with the guys wording but, more over the fake winchester stock that wrecked my hopes. thank you for your advice!

[AlReiter]

Based on the comments above, you've made a wise decision.

[Rick B]

WOW It is always amazing at the incorrect reasons folks think a stamp is fake. Only part of the EMcF had a small cannon on the bottom of the grip for starters and it is a 100% legit stock so many missed out on it due to not knowing how to tell a legit stock except by making things up. Rick B

[zaugau]

Dang, oh well still lots to learn

[Redleg]

I don't think anybody made anything up. We don't do this everyday and do not have good examples laying around to compare them too. On top of it, only a photo was presented, not the real thing. A worn cartouche is like a faded newspaper.

It is hard enough to determine originality of any stock nowdays, and the cartouche industy is running overtime. GHS, EMcF, GAW, DAS stamps and crossed cannon stamps are available at popular outlets all the time.

The SA did appear to be quite different in size from your photos, Rick, and the crossbars I noticed did not make sense when the other parts of the stamping were deeper. I am more confused than before.
That stock did appear to be very very new. That means it was not carried by anyone in the real Band of Brothers and it likely never saw Europe unless it was laid on a world map last week.

With the advent of the Dupage stocks, a very good product will soon be offered to rid us of our money, WITH CARTOUCHES. I frankly thought that it was a Dupage product.

Findley states that any premium over $50 for a cartouched stock is wasted money.

I guess the whole deal is originality, appearance and that indefinable, "it just looks right" subjective emotion.

Since cartouched stocks have always been worth more money, economic principles tell us only when the market is flooded with so many good fakes as to overcome demand or create doubt, that will prices fall.
I suspect that the cartouche makers know this and are selective in releases.

How big can demand be for EmcF stocks? GHS Stocks? A few dozen a year?
Restorations run up against the reality of the lack of available good WWII barrels to bother with a restoration and a high priced stock

Like a good paint job on a collector car, I figure eventually the cartouche thing will boil down to an acceptable tribute for a restoration, or a Scott Duff letter.
It is to the point that we suspect ALL cartouches now.

It is also a likelyhood that many cartouched stocks already in the hands of collectors are fakes too. If there is one fake out there, there are 2,000 or more.
I surely cannot tell reliably

Let the buyer beware and if you like it, buy it, but without a letter from an expert on the cartouche, you are probably buying fluff.