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    All WW2 Model 12 trench guns were made with the later type heat shield (4 rows of holes, not 6 rows).


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    Winchester M12 trench gun questions

    While that's true, it would not have been uncommon to find the the older style on a Model 12. When they went in for any kind of repairs the armorers didn't care which heat shield was correct. Just that it fit. And it did. I think that if absolute factory correctness is what you're going for, obviously get the later heat shield. If you come across an older one at a good price, don't lose sleep about putting it on your Model 12. That's all I meant.

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    One speaks of how common the 1200 series handguard is, but not so around me. There are actually none around here to be had. Nor any others. Hence collectable. The martial marked guns too. Any damaged makes one less. It's virtually impossible to find correct trench or riot guns, maybe this is why. They're the only ones outside the hands of collectors.
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    That is certainly true. I think that part of the reason for this is because when they made their way back to the states they were generally picked up and used as hunting guns, which meant getting rid of the short cylinder bore barrel, or bought up by police and corrections departments, who applied their own markings detracting from the "original condition". In either case the heat shields were often discarded.

    It also doesn't help that military shotguns were kind of a niche market for many, many years. It seems like, outside of that small market, as normal surplus guns became more expensive people turned to the less expensive guns to collect, like the shotgun. All of a sudden there was more reference material available and what was kind of the "Mosin-Nagant" of it's day emerged as one of the most sought after collectibles on the market.

    While I have a handful of military shotguns in my collection I can honestly say that only a couple of them are truly "correct". Though my only complete matching numbers gun is Stevens 620 riot, it has been marked for use by Civil Defense. Some collectors turn there nose up at it but I personally think it adds to the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danb View Post
    check gun parts corp i think they have original barrels and repro parts a mod 97 sheild will fit
    East Taylor LLC in Statesboro, Ga. repo steel heat shields for $175. Stevens Trench Gun Bayonet Attachment

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitch1911 View Post
    East Taylor LLC in Statesboro, Ga. repo steel heat shields for $175. Stevens Trench Gun Bayonet Attachment
    They have both types of heat shields, 4 row, 6 row, winchester, stevens

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitch1911 View Post
    East Taylor LLC in Statesboro, Ga. repo steel heat shields for $175. Stevens Trench Gun Bayonet Attachment

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    They have both types of heat shields, 4 row, 6 row, winchester, stevens
    I have one on order now for a Win mod 1912

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    Winchester M12 trench gun questions

    Be sure and check it for fit straight away. I ordered a Stevens heat shield from them and no matter what I did, it simply did not fit properly. Like the inside diameter was just a hair off. So much so that it was impossible to put the screws in.

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