Unable to Find Modern Loading Data Please Help!

[Drachenblut]

Hello All,

I have a Mannlicher Stutzen in the original 8X50R Mannlicher caliber. I have 197 grain .323 bullets, and cases but I cannot find ANY modern smokeless powder loading data for that, or even anyone who will help me make some up. I have IMR 4350 and Accurate Arms 4350 powders already. I've looked in 2 of my loading books and they don't even mention the caliber! Note, this is NOT the 8X56R M-30, but the ORIGINAL 8X50R Mannlicher.

I am planning on a big shoot in a few weeks and REALLY would like to shoot this gun, please help!

Yours,
Drachenblut

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[Parashooter]

FWIW - QuickLOAD estimates (unfortunately deformatted by forum software that removes multiple consecutive spaces):

Cartridge : 8 x 50 R Mannlicher M93 (DWM358)
Bullet : .323, 200, Speer SP 2285
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch or 76.20 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 45052 psi, or 310 MPa

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

5 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 4350 105.5 52.6 3.41 756 89.2 311 58 1.307 ! Near Maximum ! [Note 105.5% full = compressed load]
Winchester 760 96.5 53.1 3.44 2540 93.3 45052 8960 1.298 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 99.1 54.9 3.56 2547 94.3 45052 9092 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 101.5 52.5 3.40 2540 94.6 45052 8915 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 95.0 51.0 3.31 2401 91.9 45052 7594 1.338 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 111.2 55.4 3.59 2545 95.0 45052 8984 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 92.1 51.0 3.31 2513 94.2 45052 8673 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 98.8 52.5 3.40 2548 96.4 45052 8966 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.0 49.4 3.20 2493 96.0 45052 8356 1.325 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 97.6 50.8 3.29 2537 97.8 45052 8602 1.300 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 93.1 47.7 3.09 2493 97.8 45052 8024 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 93.1 46.9 3.04 2464 97.2 45052 7894 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 92.2 46.4 3.01 2519 99.2 45052 8049 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 91.2 47.5 3.08 2505 97.4 45052 8298 1.320 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 93.8 46.1 2.99 2459 97.5 45052 7764 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 92.1 48.4 3.14 2441 97.9 45052 7782 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 86.7 49.2 3.19 2516 98.9 45052 8337 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.1 47.1 3.05 2514 99.5 45052 8024 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 84.5 46.1 2.99 2477 99.0 45052 7830 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 93.5 47.1 3.05 2484 99.6 45052 7719 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 84.4 44.1 2.86 2468 99.0 45052 7700 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 99.6 48.9 3.17 2467 99.5 45052 7702 1.324 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 84.6 43.4 2.81 2419 99.3 45052 7194 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 88.9 47.6 3.09 2497 99.8 45052 7866 1.333 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 81.3 45.3 2.94 2444 99.4 45052 7423 1.342 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 82.8 46.2 2.99 2456 99.5 45052 7570 1.347 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 92.2 46.1 2.99 2450 100.0 45052 7275 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.0 44.3 2.87 2513 100.0 45052 7551 1.314 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 84.0 42.4 2.75 2462 100.0 45052 7218 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 83.9 44.5 2.88 2436 100.0 45052 7084 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 96.8 45.7 2.96 2459 100.0 45052 7100 1.331 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 89.2 42.5 2.75 2394 100.0 45052 6483 1.333 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 83.0 41.8 2.71 2415 100.0 45052 6684 1.350 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 81.2 39.8 2.58 2420 100.0 45052 6662 1.343 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 83.7 40.7 2.64 2378 100.0 45052 6322 1.344 ! Near Maximum !

[Bruce McAskill]

From Cartridges of the World. 8x50R Austrian Mannlicher. Just a few more loads for you to consider.

Bullet Powder MV ME

159 gr. IMR 3031 48 grs. 2460 2142

227 gr. IMR 3031 45 grs. 2040 2102

There is also a 244 gr. bullet but that is the same load as the 227 gr. bullet.

[Patrick Chadwick]

From the Visíer Special on "Sportschiessen mit Ordonnanzwaffen" (Target Shooting with Service Rifles" - which is a must, even if you can't read German - you can read the figures for the loads!

S&B 196 gn FMJ 0.323" Vihtavuori N140 41gn, sights at 600 (Schritt)
S&B 196 gn FMJ 0.323" Accurate 2520 44 gn, sights at 500 (Schritt)
Sight settings for 100 meters.

Patrick