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    WW1 Springfield 1911

    A seller has a ww1 springfield for sale and I am going to take a look at it.He told me the pistol is a ww1 type but it has been reworked/changed for WW2. I need some advice on the important things i have to look at .(barrel markings, grips, etc......)
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    If it was still original you would be concerned if it had all it's original parts, but if it was rebuilt in a military facility you can expect a mix of whatever parts were available. The original finish would have been rust blue, but phosphate was used on rebuilds.

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    I have "inspected" the pistol for the first time and I can tell you this :
    -the pistol is all parkerized (green)
    - on the left of the frame there is a "E.E.C." with the "eagle's head" under and a "AA" marking (there is no P or S marking)
    -the barrel has the markings .45 auto with "87" under, it has on the right side a "M" stamped and on the left side I Z 18P.
    I also think the serial nr has been overstampd (5digits: 11XXX)
    Can you tell me more about those marking?
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    Pics would make it easier.
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    EEC....Edmund E Chapman Was a springfield inspetor, Your frame must be a Remington umc
    Last edited by topaz; 06-18-2011 at 09:58 AM.

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    topaz is correct. It is a Remington-UMC. The Remington-UMC pistols duplicated Colt serial numbers from 1 through 21676, but the Remington-UMC numbers are noticeably larger, and the serial number prefix was NO instead of No (underlined o) as found on the Colts and Springfields. It may have a Springfield slide, but it is a Remington-UMC.

    E.E.C. is the initials of Major Edmund E. Chapman, Inspector of Ordnance for the Bridgeport Ordnance District. His initials indicate that it had passed all inspections and was accepted by Ordnance by his authority.

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    Do I have to conclude the 1911 is a combination springfield-remington and has been refinished (frame and slide has exactly the same color/finish) before ww2?
    What about the barrel markings?

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    The receiver is the pistol, so it is a Remington-UMC, and it just happens to have a Springfield slide. No real way to tell when it was refinished, but from the barrel description it could be as late as post Vietnam. I assume the barrel marking you are describing is on the top of the chamber, and if so it is a post Vietnam era barrel.

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    We would need to see the pistol or know what every component is to be able to guess when it might have been rebuilt by the military. You look for the latest production parts, and you know it was after that date. Different types of phosphate finishes were used before and after WWII. The "green" Parkerizing sounds post-WWII to me...possibly even a shake-n-bake oven job done by Bubba.

    Photos might tel us more.
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