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    M1 Nomenclature

    The whole nomenclature system was changed with the M1icon and dropped the year designation used on previous weapons. Burt Kellerstedt won top prize at the Ft. Washington, PA. show with a table that had only one Garand on it -- the rest were all items designated M1, from helmet to mess kit.

    Before the GCAicon proposed standardizing the term "Gas Trap," collectors were all over the place trying to describe the early rifle. Terms in use were Model 1936, ca. 1936, 1936 Type, First Pattern, and several others. In 1992 member Steve Marvin wrote a great article for the Summer Newsletter titled "As Seen From Across The Counter" and used the term "Gas Trap" all through it. This rang a bell with me, so I checked with Art Tuttle to see if he agreed that it was the best description of the early front end, and that "Gas Port Rifle" would then fit for the later type. He thought it was excellent. I then wrote to Steve and suggested he propose standardizing the collector terms Gas Trap and Gas Port in another article. I waited several months and never heard from him, so I did it in 1993 (with full credit to Marvin). EVERYBODY liked the idea, and it became standard from then on.
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    To amplify Bob’s astute comments, prior to the early 1920s, the U.S. military used the year of a weapon’s adoption as its Model designation, i.e., Model 1873, Model 1898, Model 1903, Model 1917, etc., etc. ,etc. Among the last standardized gun to be designated by the year was the Model 1922 (.22 caliber Springfield). Interestingly, although not adopted or standardized, the prototype semiautomatic rifles developed by John Garand were designated by the year. These included the Model 1919, Model 1921 and Model 1924. However, by 1936 (the year the .30 caliber gas-operated Garand rifle was adopted), the practice of using year as the model number been abandoned in favor of the “M” with a number suffix designation. Since the Garand rifle was the first small arm standardized since the change in nomenclature from year of adoption to “M” (Model) was instituted, it was the “M1icon” (“Model 1”).

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    Thank you guys and I wished you emailed me before I argued the M1936 Rick Bicon

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    Welcome to the forum Bruce. Finally!
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    Welcome to the forum Bruce. Finally!
    Yes indeed BAR

    Bruce, first off, welcome to the site. I know you will have a great deal to share with all of us. Please stay and enjoy.

    Thank you for your information on the M1icon rifle. I look forward to seeing any and all of your posts here on the Milsurps.com forums.
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    Thanks for kind welcome and I hope everyone has a wonderful and Blessed New Year.

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    Honor to have you here, Mr. Canfield.

    Thanks for the interesting first post with the helpful information.

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    Bruce
    Welcome to the forum. It is great to have you here. I am anciously waiting
    for your new Garandicon book.
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    The manuscript and photos for the new book are in the hands of Mowbray Publishing. It will be a massive project and I do not know how long the layout and printing will take. Stuart Mowbray and his staff do a first-class job with all their publications. Bob Seijasicon graciously agreed to serve as technical advisor on the book and his input was invaluable to the project. Dave McClain was co-technical advisor. Many others, including some who frequent this forum, were also extremely helpful.

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    bruce, thanks for your help on the form. im sure i speak for most hear that we can't wait to see that new book .---charles
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