DP ishapore smle ?convert to .22rf ?
I have myself a nice ishapore smle rifle thats been drilled through the chamber and barrel thread area. I am looking into the practicalities of making it into a .22rf rifle by fitting it with the correct bolt head and a barrel insert.
The rifle looks and functions fine except for the welded firing pin hole. shortenend firing pin and the hole drilled into the action at the chamber
I have thought about it and I think it should be ok. there is alot of metal there for a .22rf
10-04-2012 12:12 AM
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I wouldn't bother myself BUT............ If you consider that the sub caliber insert of the L1A1 rifle is proofed on a stand alone basis - that is, not held within a rifle barrel. ON that basis, a similar rifled barrel insert in your No1 with a drilled chamber should be safe. After all, it is the proofed barrel in its own right and your drilled barrel is just the vehicle that holds/supports it.
Quite whether the person who's doing the job will see it that way and put his name to it is another matter!
Interesting question from a technical point of view. Anyone else got any theories? What about you outside the box thinkers JM or Bruce in Oz
Quite right, from an engineering point of view. The snag, from the legislative point of view is that when an insert has been permanently fitted, any proof marks on the insert have disappeared forever. So you have a rifle that does not exhibit valid proof marks. Over here that is technically illegal, although the rifle will be perfectly OK.
In Germany, one can often find removable barrel inserts. Not as popular now as once, they are used by hunters to practise with what is, for them, sub-caliber ammunition. I.e. using cheap .22 long rifle instead of some awfully expensive hunting ammo. Who would want to fire off a practice string with a .460 Wetherby - even if they could afford it?
Another use is to fit a rifled barrel into a shotgun barrel for occasional use. I do not know if these insert barrels were used where Mr E lives, and whether they were ever made for Enfields, but such an insert is a very good solution that does not require a reproofing of the "carrier", as the insert is proofed in its own right and the proof marks can be checked.
Last edited by Patrick Chadwick; 10-04-2012 at 04:43 AM.
That's interesting thought Patrick. Who checks the proof marks in Germany? And when? Good job it's not the job of the Police here. Some of them can't even see the time let alone a proof mark!
I recall a time when we alllowed a group of civilians to shoot a few weapons - a GPMG, MG42, Steyr AUG and SA80 plus some others and when checking the legal niceties of it all, one of the local gun cops told me that we'd have to have them all commercial proofed if civvies were shooting them! I just put on a well practiced befuddled look, rolled my eyes skywards and just got on with the task in the usual way - properly! Mind you, I did cross his name off the list as well! You can't be too careful can you?
Last edited by Peter Laidler; 10-04-2012 at 08:45 AM.
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I'd get a full length barrel liner and glue it in. You would need to bore out th chamber area to a cylinder and insert a short sleeve there, but that's fairly simple and. if epoxy is used, doesn't have to be much more than could be accomplished with a reamer run in from the action side if removing the barrel is a great bother.
I have been thinking about doing the same thing but with a Mauser that will never fire 8X57 again
or any other large Mauser round for that matter.
The chamber and cannon too rusty.
I have an Austrian Voere .22 insert / conversion kit that will convert 7 and 8 mm Mauser to .22lr
but I would like to stop it flexing when I shoot.
Was thinking about grease on the insert and putting silicon sealant down the cannon
to take up the slack, and hope that the grease will help removal when I want to take the Voere unit out.
Or would it be best to epoxy in and never take it out.?
I know I am talking about a Mauser but it is the idea and the principles of this topic.
Enfields No1mk3*, No4mk1 T, No4mk1*, M.H. 577/450s.
MAS 36s. Mausers G98s, 1908, M48, BSA 222 (Mauser action)
numerous .22 match arms. and numerous black powder. 1873 11mm.
its up to you but I will be using a permanent method to set the liner in the barrel but you could use something like a thread lock compound that when heated will release so you can get the liner out but I think that if the gun is rusted out then a permanent conversion is better
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