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    Does the SRS documentation mention being drilled and tapped?

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    Evidently many of the NM M1903 were drilled and tapped by whom I do not know. There was a question as to whether a rifle so altered fit the category of “*** issued” for the National Matches. To clarify the position the following was inserted in the DCM Notes in the American Rifleman for 1940. There was also, at one time a question of the reversed safety and the headless cocking piece. I believe that eventually, the headless cocking piece was disallowed.

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    1903 nm

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Peppers View Post
    Does the SRS documentation mention being drilled and tapped?
    No. The letter and copy of the receipt only indicate that the rifle was sold as an M1903A1 NM rifle and gives the name/address of the purchaser. I have read...and I apologize for not remembering the source...that the NM rifle could be ordered with the Lyman rear sight holes drilled and tapped, but installation of the sight was up to the owner. Also on such rifles, the stock was NOT relieved for the sight.

    Just found this: M1903 Springfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Footnote is: Norell, James O.E. (2003). "U.S. M1903A1 Rifles". American Rifleman (National Rifle Association) 151 (July): 38–41.

    "M1903 NM (1921–1940)— selected rifles produced at Springfield Armory for National Match shooting competition. Production barrels were measured with star-gauges, and those meeting specified tolerances were stamped with an asterisk shaped star on the muzzle crown. These barrels were fitted to selected receivers with hand-fitted and polished parts. The bolt was left unblued while the receiver and barrel were finished with a black Parkerizing process. Some bolts have the safety direction reversed to prevent it from striking the nose of a right-handed shooter, and those made from 1924 to 1929 have the knurled cocking piece removed to decrease lock time. Early rifles used the type S stock until the type C stock became standard in 1929. Rifles made for sale to NRA members (priced at $40.44) were drilled and tapped for a Lyman 48 receiver sight and had either a type B (or NB) stock with no grasping grooves and a noticeable drop at the heel for a long pistol grip, or a special National Match stock with a high comb and pistol grip. Total production was 28,907. Most were issued to service teams and 25,377 were reconditioned at Springfield armory after one year of match use. Reconditioned rifles have a large gas-escape port drilled into the left side of the receiver.[26]"

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    The information on the hole being drilled in the left side of the receiver on reconditioned rifles in not correct. It may have happened on some, but I have a 1926 rifle that was a USCG team rifle which was returned to Springfield in 1930, rebuilt into a 1903A1 NM and sold at the 1931 National Matches.

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    You take Wikipedia entries with a big grain of salt. I don't know if this is the same entry, but I looked at another on the M1903 and it had numerous errors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick the Librarianicon View Post
    You take Wikipedia entries with a big grain of salt. I don't know if this is the same entry, but I looked at another on the M1903 and it had numerous errors.
    That is why I looked for a reference or a footnote. Guess I'd have to get that issue of Am. Rifleman. Then...it too, could be incorrect, but written nearer to when the rifles were being produced. I think Poyner notes in his book, that NM rifles could have been had with the recvr sight holes. But it is Poyner's book. Again...must cross reference/verify. Does Brophy make any mention of this? Anyone have any SA literature from the 1930's? Ads, order forms, etc?

    On my SRS Lettered 1932 NM rifle, the recvr hole filler screws have the same finish as the rest of the rifle and the slots look to be undisturbed...an indication that they have never been removed.

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    In post #3 I referenced NRA/DCM brochures from the early 1920's to 1940, and what was offered in them. They covered everything from targets to NM rifles for sale.

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    1903a1nm

    nevermind. I answered this question earlier.
    Last edited by Jason60chev; 05-09-2016 at 03:44 AM. Reason: Information previously provided

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    Brophy's book indicates that NM rifles were not d&t'ed with the exception of style "B". Style "B" NM's were d&T'ed for the 48 but the stock wasn't cut for it.

    Sorry if I'm repeating info that's already been posted but it was asked what Brophy wrote on the subject.

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    Also, FWIW: Page 90 of Clark Campbell's book, The '03 Era, shows a drawing (not a photo) of a style "NB" rifle, d&t'ed for the Lyman 48 and w/o the stock cut.

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