+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 19

Thread: M1 Garand 1941 Springfield

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    Midmichigun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last On
    01-10-2017 @ 10:06 PM
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    459
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    12:18 AM

    M1 Garand 1941 Springfield

    Gents!

    I don't spend much time on this side of the fence, as I usually play with the Arisakaicon crowd!

    However, I would like to show off my NEW (to me) M1icon Garand receiver. While I have a .308/ NATO kit to convert a Garand, I won't spend it on this receiver, as I would like to actually dress it up USGI.

    I am told that the Serial Number: 224,357, is an April make of 1941.

    What drew me to it, was the two tone nature of the beast! According to the seller, this was the earliest SN that he had encountered with the two tones. I had never seen a two tone before, and was at a loss as to what it was until he explained...

    I am told that the two tone nature, is due to a lead annealing process used on some receivers. Especially for grenade launching purposes, until a change in steel was done.

    Here are some photos...



    Two tone heel



    Drawing numbers and heat code:



    Just like with my 1903 that I am working on, this will be a multi year project, if I stick to my "guns" and rebuild with 1941 parts.

    I have the "correct" bolt sourced for this already... so now onto the expensive and hard to get things to find!

    Thanks for looking!! And wish me luck!
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Contributing Member Bob Seijas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 09:01 PM
    Location
    Montville, NJ and Delray Beach, FL
    Posts
    2,212
    Real Name
    Bob Seijas
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    01:18 AM
    After the grenade launcher was developed, earlier receivers were annealed whenever they came in for rebuild. Some were also done at depot levels. That means you could find a two-digit with two-tone, I've seen 3-digit receivers that were annealed.
    Real men measure once and cut.

  4. The Following 3 Members Say Thank You to Bob Seijas For This Useful Post:


  5. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  6. #3
    Advisory Panel browningautorifle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Today @ 12:49 AM
    Location
    Victoria BC
    Posts
    29,839
    Real Name
    Jim
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    10:18 PM
    Very nice receiver. Can't wait to see the end result, whenever that is.
    Regards, Jim

  7. #4
    Legacy Member emmagee1917's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last On
    11-27-2022 @ 11:10 AM
    Location
    Yuma , Arizona
    Posts
    1,402
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    10:18 PM
    Ahhh.....the grenade launching fable that refuses to die .
    The M7 launcher and the poppet valve vent gases at firing . The bolt does not travel back , therefore cannot strike the reciever heel , therefore cannot harm it in any way .
    The recoil from firing moves back to the reciever and to the stock through the reciever legs , again no force on the heel.
    Chris

  8. #5
    Legacy Member Joe W's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    07-20-2021 @ 09:25 PM
    Location
    S.W. Florida
    Posts
    720
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    01:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by emmagee1917 View Post
    Ahhh.....the grenade launching fable that refuses to die .
    The M7 launcher and the poppet valve vent gases at firing . The bolt does not travel back , therefore cannot strike the reciever heel , therefore cannot harm it in any way .
    The recoil from firing moves back to the reciever and to the stock through the reciever legs , again no force on the heel.
    Chris
    Granted, but I think you may have misinterpreted what Bob said. He states "AFTER the grenade launcher was developed, earlier receivers were annealed ........", which is correct, but he makes no reference to the grenade launcher being the cause. If you have Canfields new book, see page 357 for comments by Bob Seijasicon on the "Lead Pot Annealing".

  9. Thank You to Joe W For This Useful Post:


  10. #6
    Contributing Member Bob Seijas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 09:01 PM
    Location
    Montville, NJ and Delray Beach, FL
    Posts
    2,212
    Real Name
    Bob Seijas
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    01:18 AM
    Thanks, Joe. Whatever the merits (and I have my own opinion), Ordnance changed to a less brittle steel. To be perfectly accurate, earlier receivers with the original steel were annealed. The change was made at the time of the development of the launcher.
    Real men measure once and cut.

  11. Thank You to Bob Seijas For This Useful Post:


  12. #7
    Legacy Member emmagee1917's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Last On
    11-27-2022 @ 11:10 AM
    Location
    Yuma , Arizona
    Posts
    1,402
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    10:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Midmichigun View Post

    I am told that the two tone nature, is due to a lead annealing process used on some receivers. Especially for grenade launching purposes, until a change in steel was done.
    Actually , I was refering to the OPs comment .
    Chris

  13. #8
    Legacy Member Joe W's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    07-20-2021 @ 09:25 PM
    Location
    S.W. Florida
    Posts
    720
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    01:18 AM
    Sorry Chris, I didn't notice the last sentence of the OP's post until now. In any case, the comments by Bob Seijasicon in Canfield's book are an interesting and informative read.
    Last edited by Joe W; 08-07-2014 at 10:25 PM.

  14. #9
    FREE MEMBER
    NO Posting or PM's Allowed
    Midmichigun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last On
    01-10-2017 @ 10:06 PM
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    459
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    12:18 AM
    Thread Starter
    Gents,
    Thanks for the informative correction on the annealing. That is why the OP generally posts on the internet forums... to understand... learn... and humbly be corrected.

    I will certainly buy Bob's book for the correct information, as I don't recall this being in the Canfield book that I currently own.

    Perhaps the myth continues due to the proximity of the events tied to the statement "around the time the grenade launcher was developed" makes one conjure that they were related... I will mention this to the individual who sold me this receiver....

    When I get a chance, I will post the bolt that I have sourced, for this receiver.

  15. #10
    Legacy Member RCS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 08:59 PM
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    4,314
    Real Name
    Robert Seccombe
    Local Date
    03-29-2024
    Local Time
    12:18 AM

    correct bolts

    These bolts (NOS) would have been correct for your rifle when manufactured, both revision 2 heat lots J9A and RE2

    During rebuild, the bolts would have been parkerizedAttachment 55360Attachment 55361

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Dec 1941 Garand
    By Orlando in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 11-23-2013, 08:05 AM
  2. Value of a 1941 garand
    By bd1023 in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-13-2012, 12:11 AM
  3. Springfield July 1941...
    By coneten in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-24-2010, 11:21 AM
  4. Questions on a 1941 Garand
    By epidoc in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-31-2009, 10:28 AM
  5. My Dec. 1941 Garand
    By Joe W in forum M1 Garand/M14/M1A Rifles
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 03-10-2009, 06:21 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Raven Rocks