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    Inland here with engraved SS# on slide arm

    Spent the last couple weeks searching info about a SS# engraved on the outer Op slide arm.
    The New owner ( A Retired Pro NBA Player) brought it to me to checkout for him.
    Was bought from a estate sale of Deceased Ret. LT. Col. Sigvard C. Swanberg
    He flew his 30 missions over occupied Europe in B17's. Highly decorated.
    The owner has dug deep in to "Swanies" records. So he gave me stacks of paperwork from the USAF, National Archives etc. Swanie retired here in Michigan and lived near one of his earlier stations, the old Wurtsmith Air Base, near Oscoda MI.
    So far other than his SS# engraved on the slide I can find no record of his ownership. Then again I think putting your SS# on something should be enough proof you owned it. Estate sale dates are well before any of the dated records requests or searches.
    I found one link on his military records that during his leisure time he enjoyed shooting the .45ACP and M1icon carbine at the Lakeside Rifle League on a 1947 dated document.
    Yesterday I found his house is still listed for sale. He died July 22-2011.
    No in state family.
    The new carbine owner has tried repeatedly to contact surviving family, but hasn't got any responses or replies. May be a dead end considering they did sell everything off.
    A shame really as he's went so far as to have the LT. COL. Medals.. etc recovered.

    I'm about 175 pictures in to documenting this one.
    Looking forward to sharing it.

    Maybe just a quick peek??

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    INLAND xxx,xxx
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    To be honest the paperwork the new owner gave me about the Vets records are a bit overwhelming for me.
    With names like Maj Gen Le May, Maj Gen Partridge among others with what looks like a lot of time spent under Gen George C. Kenney, both in(over) Europe then the Pacific.
    Guy worked his way to SAC and beyond.
    Pretty impressive,
    I'll try my best.

    Charlie-Painter777

    Should have added
    96th Bomb Gp
    3d Bomb Div.

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    The Carbine is very nice, I strongly believe 100%.
    But after the little bit of researching I've done and read, I have to say I am so intrigued by this man and the career/life he had.
    I wish I had known him.

    His Obit:

    Sigvard Christ Swanberg (Ret. Lt. Col.) | Buresh Funeral Homes

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    Quite an array of decorations...
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    Do you mean 'Social Security Number' or 'Service Number'? SSN is a nine-digit and an Officers SN would start with 'O'. Anyway, the carbine looks very original, depending on the serial number range. The Ordnance stamp may be in the sling well along with some other marks. Its a tough call on the number either way, SSN or SN. Such marks were not allowed during service and probably were added after retirement. The thing is, you would have to replace the slide to get rid of it, or at least sand it off and refinish the slide. So the question is, is it worth more with the mark or without it? At least the number is not on the barrel, receiver or trigger housing! Back in the '60s and later, putting your SSN on your guns was promoted by many police depts., which is probably when this happened. I would take it out of the stock and make sure there are no other ID marks on it. I'm a little 'hard-core' on things like this. Unless the officer was a well-known/famous figure, being able to link the gun to him basically amounts to nothing when it comes to collector value - it amounts to only sentimental value to those who knew him. So in that light the presence of the number would be a detraction on value, but so would a replacement or refinished slide. But, even with the number, it may well be a valuable carbine once it is determined that it is indeed all-original. I think the default position on it would be to change nothing, depending on originality.

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    Nothing will be changed.
    This carbine will stay as is.
    At the very least it can be tracked to a former member or the:
    96th Bomb Group (H)
    3Rd Bomb Div. (H)
    8th USAAF

    The CC Data sheet is complete.
    I'm currently typing a observation sheet I include with the CC sheet.
    This includes anything from observations to part color break downs.

    I have many of the LT. Col's service records here, loaned and researched by the new owner.

    The number on the Op slide handle is the LT. Col's Social Security Number, same as on his paperwork with first 6 numbers blacked out, you'll see this on the second page, top right corner in reply #11, showing the last 3 numbers 443. The full Social security number of 354 10 2443 is also visible on his ID tag from 1971 shown in the picture in reply #10.

    Seeing part of this mans records, seeing he survived 30 missions Flying a B17 over occupied Europe, Normandy, Northern Franceicon the Rhineland etc and the fact he was under and followed Gen. Kenney out to the PTO after Europe is 'History'.

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    Pictured below: before breakdown and any cleaning.
    I like to takes pics as I break these down, helps to show wear patterns. When everything had been ID'd I clean it up, then take a few after cleaning pictures.


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    Requesting Help to understand Early 40's to 70's USAAF Military records

    Does anyone here have any experience reading/understanding USAAF lingo?
    I'm wondering if I were to post copies of some of his records, someone could help decipher them for me.

    I'm just trying to do a general write up about this LT. COL. and his service record with the 'Mighty Eighth"

    I plan to submit the required info to The National Museum of the Mighty Eighth Air Force later tonight or this weekend.

    My goal is to include any findings with the Carbine Club data sheet, my observations notes and the link to my picture files.

    After mailing these out, I'll share all with our members here.

    Any questions? Or Anyone interested please post or PM me.

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    Painter,
    Nice carbine, and great history! Thanks for sharing this.
    I wonder if some of the groups that he belonged to, can help with any additional information that you need, if the family isn't interested in talking about this guys impressive career.
    I think that the owner has one heck of a pc of history. As I tell everyone who collects, attach the info to the rifle so it doesn't get lost. Even if the guy was a "minor player", it will allow future historians the ability to pc together the rather detailed and far flung history surrounding WWII.

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    File/Photobucket test

    TEST.. TEST..
    I've tried scanning some of the LT Cols' paper work in to photo bucket.


    1st his picture:


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