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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    That's correct Brian, going from memory think its the Birmingham proof, the London proof is just one curved sword (Scimitar I think)
    You are thinking of the "Seax" (ancient Anglo Saxon term for the sword, and from where the name 'Saxon' comes from)

    The proof mark is actually an 'armoured arm holding a Seax', and yes - it is one of the London Proof House markings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Dickicon View Post
    The bluing used on Long Branch and Savage No.4 rifles and TSMG's during WWII was Dulite. It's no where near as durable as Parkerizing which incidentally, was designed for and used by the U.S. Navy as a pre paint prep finish starting in 1918.
    Interesting, do you know when parkerizing was introduced here Brian? Well under way by 1949 would you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield View Post
    You are thinking of the "Seax" (ancient Anglo Saxon term for the sword, and from where the name 'Saxon' comes from)

    The proof mark is actually an 'armoured arm holding a Seax', and yes - it is one of the London Proof House markings.

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    The above is proof and Nitro proof marks Alan, not Deact proof marks.

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    Seeing as we are on my pet subject, that is NOT a Proof mark. It was indeed applied by the Birmingham Proof House but that does not make it a Proof mark.

    It is "a mark which has been approved by the Secretary of State" denoting "that a firearm has been rendered incapable of discharging any shot, bullet or other missile, and has consequently ceased to be a firearm". [1997 Firearms (Amendment) Act] That is not Proof which is reserved for the sale of live firearms. (Gun Barrels Proof Act(s).

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    I'm guessing that Parkerizing was introduced in certain Canadianicon production in 1943-44. Inglis Parked Brens and BHP pistols starting about that time. Long Branch Stens were Parked too at that time, maybe even a bit earlier. LB No.4 rifles were Parkerized as the standard factory finish at some point in 1950 in the 93L serial range. You'll still see a mixture of blued small parts on them. I've seen many CAL/LB FTR rifles and would guess that they were Parkerized during rebuild up through the 1960's and possibly later. One of my own favorites is a 1942 with a Canadian ownership mark present. It sports the lovely manganese Park finish that Long Branch and Inglis were famous for.

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