what is the correct pecar scope for enforcer snipers?

[superbee]

Hi
I am looking for the correct pecar scope for the enforcer sniper.Is there a serial # range to look for?Were other scopes used or just pecars?

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[Gil Boyd]

You have hit on a very wide ranging question. Many Police Forces bought in what they perceived to be the best solution for them, however, a large number went with the PECAR with variable magnification 4x to maximum 10x times on best advioce at the time.
From my notes it was a PECAR model V2-S telescope, it was 355mm in length, weighed in at 455gm.
Filed of view at 100metres 4x - 31feet
6x - 24feet
8x - 18feet
10x - 16feet
Objective Glass diameter: 50mm
Eye Relief: 80mm
As far as numbers go I have a limited number of scope numbers but if you are looking for one, Richard at Devices Guns The Devizes Gunsmith - (RWS Engineering) - Gunsmith and Gunshop.
had a few last year for sale at a very reasonable price £250 comes to mind, but it is the mounts that are like rocking horse Poo and very rare!!
Good luck

[limpetmine]

Seems like I've seen the rear mount on THAT interned auction site quite often. Seems like they don't move that fast.
I can check my scope model number for you. Give me a day or two.

[Thunderbox]

Normally the V2-S

[Alan de Enfield]

The" standard issued" scope specified by the Police board was indeed the Pecar 4-10, if you ordered a 'complete' Enforcer from Enfield that is what you would get.

As a 'non-critical' item many Police forces ordered their Enforcers during the last quarter of the financial year to get rid of a bit of money that had not been used from that years budget. (If they did not spend all of their budgets, the following years budget was cut by the amount they had not used - as - obviously if they had not spent it they did not need it)

Some (many) Enforcers were ordered without bipods, scopes, or even sights just to spend the 'left over cash', the Force armourer would then add his his preferred parts out of the following years budget.

There are a wide variety of scopes found on Enforcers, all of which are original.

The Pecar 4-10 is perceived as the "correct" scope (with either 1", or 26mm tube - depending what Pecar had available at the time. This was supplied to Parker Hale who then fitted the scope using either their RAHS3 or RAHS4 rings and returned the rifle to Enfield)

[Peter Laidler]

Not wanting to disagree with or be pedantic about AdeE's answer, but the rifle supplied by Enfield was the rifle alone, CORRECTLY drilled and tapped for the mounts. This was because the rifle was at a price fixed/agreed between the Home Office and the Ministry of Supply and another technical reason. What they wanted EXTRA was a matter for them.

I say drilled and tapped CORRECTLY but I say this tongue in cheek because Enfield drilled and tapped the body/breeching up ring only and NOT into the barrel. Whether you think that securing a mount and telescope onto a 3mm or so breeching up ring is mechanically 'correct' is quite another matter. Later, some gunsmiths or enthusiastic amateurs knew 'better' and deepened the mount screw holes into the barrel - and in a couple of celebrated ( or not, depending on your point of view.....?) cases, found after the rifles were returned to Enfield as faulty/harsh extraction. it was discovered that the new deeper tapped holes had almost entered the chamber. Not quite, but the fired case had expanded itself into the weakened chamber wall.

I think I've mentioned this before but have added to it slightly in view of a bit of info I learned from the Examining staff at the time.

[Simon P]

The last couple of Enforcers that came in had Pecar Scopes and each scope had a second serial number engraved under the main scope serial number, i wonder if these were the Enforcer Serial number, the last two scopes that came through had 175 & 208 engraved on them, the third scope never had any secondary number.

[Alan de Enfield]

Not wanting to disagree with or be pedantic about AdeE's answer, but the rifle supplied by Enfield was the rifle alone, CORRECTLY drilled and tapped for the mounts. This was because the rifle was at a price fixed/agreed between the Home Office and the Ministry of Supply and another technical reason. What they wanted EXTRA was a matter for them.
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No disagreement at all.

The actual Police / Home OfficeEnforcer specification was released into the public domain a couple of years ago - part of which I have detailed below :

The rifle is a magazine fed, hand operated, bolt action, single shot weapon. High accuracy is obtained by the careful selection of good actions, suitably modified to accept 7.62 mm ammunition, to each of which is breeched a heavy 7.62 mm target barrel. A magazine holding 10 rounds is fitted. The military fore-end is shortened, and a hand guard is provided. On test each rifle must make a satisfactory group of 10 rounds within an area 2.6" x 2.6" at 100 yards, or proportionately at other distances.

Adaptation for Police Use


To produce an effective weapon for police use - modification and additions include:

1. The substitution for the military butt of one of greater length, with a pistol grip and higher comb to suit the telescopic sight. (Fig 10)

2. The fitting of mounts for a telescope sight. (Fig 14)

3. The provision of a Pecar telescope sight, with "roll-off" mounts. (Fig 13) 4. The fitting of supplementary iron target sights comprising a model 5e Parker-Hale back sight. (Fig 11) The transverse arm to the latter may be inserted when the telescope is removed, so that iron sights may be used in an emergency, or the rifle can be used, for practice, as a target rifle under NRA rules.

The Pecar Model V2 - S Telescope is designed as a rugged, high quality sight for hunting rifles. The technical specification is given below, but the tube is of steel, sealed against the ingress of moisture and with coated lenses. Magnification is adjusted by a ring, forward of the eyepiece, from 4X to a maximum of 1OX, the field of view and illumination reducing as the magnification increases. The high power is primarily of value in ensuring positive identification of the target. Covered drums for adjustment of elevation and deflection are Provided, movement being controlled in clicks of 1 minute of angle. The saddle which carries the drums and reticle is removable, and interchangeable units are provided, with sixteen alternative reticle designs.


Parker Hale did much of the assembly of the rifle - when Enfield received an order from a Police Force, they would raise an order onto PH for whatever version(with / without scope, bipod, and PH5E4 sight) was required.

The drilled barreled action was despatched to PH along with the assembly order.

PH then added the furniture (with the butts ordered from a company called SILE of Italy), the PH bipod, the PH scope mounts (BA20 & BA21 from memory), the PH scope rings and the Pecar 4-10 scope.

The completed rifle was then shipped back to Enfield.

Enfield then entered the rifle, customer details and Invoice/Advice note number into their Sales Ledger and the rifle was despatched. The Police paid Enfield and Enfield paid PH

[Peter Laidler]

AdeE's thread 8 has pretty-well said it as it was! That Enfield supplied the rifle, tapped and threaded and stocked*. The other reason for Enfield doing this (since somneone asked.....) was because they had the necessary factory facilities to ensure that the mount holes were exactly at 12 0'clock in relation to the bore and aligned exactly linearly.

*So far as I am aware/informed by Major George Xxxxxs who oversaw the project, Enfield suppled the rifles fully stocked up with readily available from Ordnance converted fore-ends. Butts were one of the 'extra cost' choices as stated and if a variant was fitted by request, the original fitted one came back. They did come from SILE too! - as he gave me one that had been used during the tests, with a No8 butt plate fitted!

[PrinzEugen]

Re the availability/current price of the scope rings - there was a real mania a couple of years ago for creating 'enforcer clones' which led to rocketing of prices for all associated parts (mainly RAHS4 rings and the 4-10 x45 pecar scopes) - but this has died down somewhat.