Question about Detroit PD M1 Carbine Stock

[USGI]

Make sure to read posts #18 and #19 in that linked thread. I'm not an expert on these stocks. Let's give some of the "stock guys" a chance to chime in. - Bob

[Dgreifzu]

Make sure to read posts #18 and #19 in that linked thread. I'm not an expert on these stocks. Let's give some of the "stock guys" a chance to chime in. - Bob

There is some great info on that linked thread. Thanks for posting! In summary, it indicates that my rifle was probably issued to the German Bundesministerium der Verteidigung (Federal Ministry of Defense) The inside of the mark is BMVldg with 187 underneath. It's interesting that the stamp in the linked thread has "186" so I'm wondering if there is a significance to the variance. I'm pretty sure that I read on barvarianm1carbines.com (BTW, thanks to the author of that site for all the research you've done) that the BMV did not stamp or otherwise mark their M1 carbines. So it appears that there is a good chance that my rifle served in the US military, the German BMV, and the Detroit PD.

[tenOC]

See post #11 for the marking on your stock.

M2 stock, Detroit Police Dept. Is it USGI? - CMP Forums

[browningautorifle]

So Bill Rica says Dutch markings. I think I can remember that now...

[Dgreifzu]

See post #11 for the marking on your stock.

M2 stock, Detroit Police Dept. Is it USGI? - CMP Forums

Thanks for this link. I see that you were the OP for that thread. It's nice to see that others are interested in the history of these rifles.

It's amazing all the tidbits of knowledge out there regarding the Detroit PD carbines.Like indicated in post #14 of this thread, Bill Ricca says that the marks are Dutch. What's interesting is that the carbine came with a brass deflector which I saw Mr Ricca indicated in another post were part of the BFA kit made by the Dutch for the West Germans. My rifle also came with a magazine pouch and a sling just like yours. In fact, when I see DPD marked M1's, I see a lot of slings and pouches. Maybe they came into the country that way rather than a seller throwing on some add-ons.

I did have a question about your rifle. It seems like yours is marked DPD 5 12. Mine is marked DPD 4 42. The response by DPD3672 indicates that for your rifle was either 12th Precinct 5th gun or 5th Precinct 12th gun. I counted the number of precincts on the precinct map and saw 14. That would seem to indicate that my rifle was probably from 4th Precinct and was the 42nd firearm. The pictures from your post are no longer available. Would you be willing and able to attach the pictures here? It's kind of cool to be able to pinpoint where the rifle was actually located in Detroit using the precinct map. My rifle has an odd buttplate that doesn't look USGI. What does your buttplate look like? Is the recoil plate blued and unmarked?

Thanks in advance!

[Dgreifzu]

So Bill Rica says Dutch markings. I think I can remember that now...

There is a picture at German M1 carbine Accessories that shows the stamp is from the Bundesministerium der Verteidigung (German Federal Ministry of Defense). Is it possible that the Dutch produced an M2 stock, buttplate, and recoil plate and then marked it with the stamp to indicate it was for Germany? I'm going to do some research on the stamp to see if I can find the orign.

[Dgreifzu]

Here is a link to another thread that has a picture of another stock like mine: stamp in sling well, black recoil plate, and similar buttplate (at least from the partial side view of the squared black edge). Please help Identify this Crest - CMP Forums

So it looks like perhaps these stocks were perhaps made as a unit and not just as individual pieces. Did the Dutch make replacement parts for post-war Germany?

There is also a note about the image of the stamp showing up in Fig 1287 of War Baby 3. Could someone with access to that book give the context surrounding the stamp?

[USGI]

Figure 1287 shows a closeup of the stamps in the sling well of a replacement German-made M2 walnut stock. The stock shown has the West German-NATO stock number and the acceptance mark of the West German Ministry of Defense (an eagle whose wings bracket the letters "BMVldg"). The picture was supplied by James Mock. - Bob

[Dgreifzu]

Thanks for the update! So it appears that my rifle is a repatriated "Bavarian" rebuild that made it's way to the Detroit Police Department probably via an importer before import stamps were required.

[tenOC]

I'll have to look for pics tomorrow. Not sure what happened to them from there. The butt plate doesn't stick out in my memory. Believe it came with a magazine too. The seller had several and all were Inlands. He told me another dealer had been selling all Rock-olas. That's interesting info on the precincts.