From Post 148 pictures, tell me the pressure was different. Notice the Fedural primer was flatter than the Armscor. Can't see the Aguila very good to tell.
I ordered a stock set to fire my M1A1 in. I hope their qc on the wood parts and wire stock is up to snuff. I know they have a terrible custserv system starting with no modern audix to take/direct calls or record messages. I have called several times and only got a fax tone. They are real slow about returning emails. In fact I had to call today to check on the stock which was ordered a week ago. Got some ammo and it arrived 2 days later. They are supposedly a family business run by vets so I hope they get it together.
Historically Inland has been pretty good about customer service calls.
The stocks and handguards used by "Inland" are made by the same company who makes them for Auto Ordnance. They are not compatible with a GI handguard or GI stock as they are about 1/4" shorter than GI stocks. Use as a matched set they shouldn't present the size problem.
The second issue with the manufacturer who makes the stocks and handguards for Auto Ordnance and Inland is their handguards typically overlap the stock towards the front. Sometimes on one side, sometimes on both sides. And unevenly. Usually enough to provide a sharp edge where a person holds the front of the stock. This also weakens the extended area making it more susceptible to damage.
Issue #3 has been the cut at the front of the stock at the end of the barrel channel should be somewhat rounded. The manufacturer has been leaving out this step producing a stock with a semi-squared off forend. This doesn't affect function but for those who prefer a carbine that looks like a carbine it's a definite eyesore.
Unlike Auto-Ordnance, Inland stains their stocks with a dark walnut finish. Auto-Ordnance uses a lighter finish. Auto-Ordnance also uses wood with knots and repaired knot holes. This is acceptable to them and for awhile indicated so on their website. I haven't seen this with Inland's stocks. Their handguard to stock fit tends to be better than those used by Auto-Ordnance.
Have a look back on this thread to the end of January 2016 or beginning of Feb 2016 and you'll see photo's of the stocks.
Generally Inland does a better job than Auto Ordnance with handguard fit, rounding the nose and overall finish. They've been making some adjustments to compensate for the quality turned out by the manufacturer but the overall length is still short of GI.
Historically Inland has been pretty good about customer service calls.
The stocks and handguards used by "Inland" are made by the same company who makes them for Auto Ordnance. They are not compatible with a GI handguard or GI stock as they are about 1/4" shorter than GI stocks. Use as a matched set they shouldn't present the size problem.
The second issue with the manufacturer who makes the stocks and handguards for Auto Ordnance and Inland is their handguards typically overlap the stock towards the front. Sometimes on one side, sometimes on both sides. And unevenly. Usually enough to provide a sharp edge where a person holds the front of the stock. This also weakens the extended area making it more susceptible to damage.
Issue #3 has been the cut at the front of the stock at the end of the barrel channel should be somewhat rounded. The manufacturer has been leaving out this step producing a stock with a semi-squared off forend. This doesn't affect function but for those who prefer a carbine that looks like a carbine it's a definite eyesore.
Unlike Auto-Ordnance, Inland stains their stocks with a dark walnut finish. Auto-Ordnance uses a lighter finish. Auto-Ordnance also uses wood with knots and repaired knot holes. This is acceptable to them and for awhile indicated so on their website. I haven't seen this with Inland's stocks. Their handguard to stock fit tends to be better than those used by Auto-Ordnance.
Have a look back on this thread to the end of January 2016 or beginning of Feb 2016 and you'll see photo's of the stocks.
Generally Inland does a better job than Auto Ordnance with handguard fit, rounding the nose and overall finish. They've been making some adjustments to compensate for the quality turned out by the manufacturer but the overall length is still short of GI.
Jim
I'm ok with small differences as long as the fit is tight. Will store with the original stock mounted. I always root for family owned vet run biz so I'll do what I can to support Inland. When mine arrives I will post a review with pics.
Serial Number 90012xx was purchased by me through Gun Genie about 8 days ago - late July 2016. Since members here have guns with much higher numbers I am somewhat puzzled by this.
The first range session consisted of 50 rounds or Sellier and Bellot and 3 rounds of Aquila. I had about 30 jams shooting the S&B using the factory mag and two mags marked PW. The three rounds of Aguila featured 2 failures to feed and 2 misfired.
I took the gun home and field stripped it. The only thing I found was a loose gas piston nut. There were marks that indicated that someone may have tried to stake the nut but they did not do a good job of it. There did not seem to be significant wear on any of the parts.
I will report back later.
The new Inland and Auto Ordnance carbines have a break-in period of about 300-400 rounds. The more you fire them during those first 400 the less problems they have with jamming. I just went through this with a new Auto Ordnance carbine. Experienced it with several Inlands also.
Every few hundred rounds check the bolt's right lug for deformed metal from impact. Also the rear of the bolt where the hammer strikes, You may not see much until several hundred rounds.
Regarding your serial number, Gun Genie is owned and operated by a large distributor, Davidson's. When they order from a manufacturer they normally order more than a few to have stock on hand. Yours may have been amongst a large shipment ordered in the past and they just got to the one with your serial number.
They are not compatible with a GI handguard or GI stock as they are about 1/4" shorter than GI stocks. Use as a matched set they shouldn't present the size problem.
The second issue with the manufacturer who makes the stocks and handguards for Auto Ordnance and Inland is their handguards typically overlap the stock towards the front.
Issue #3 has been the cut at the front of the stock at the end of the barrel channel should be somewhat rounded.
Jim
re. Stock and handguard 1/4" shorter. Apparently they are still shipping those since mine is a bit shorter too. You can see the barrel band wear mark that used to be covered in my review pics. No matter though it's just for range time.
re. Handguard overlap of stock. Mine has a slight overlap in the rear of the handguard left side. No overlap at front. When the handguard is place over the forestock and positioned they line up fine. Their outside dimensions are fine. The problem is the barrel groove in the handguard. On mine it is a bit off center through the part and therefore the affixed metal tab is off center too. An easy tooling fix for the company if they are reading this.
Only other problems for me were minor fit and finish. At least with the stock set, I give them an 8 out of 10. The quarter inch didn't cost them any points but me having to smooth the buttplate edge and sand the handguard lip cost them 2.
Now that I have read this whole thread I can only offer good luck to the company. I hope they get it together soon.
The carbine stocks used by Inland and Auto Ordnance are made by Altamont in Illinois. I bought one of their first stocks maybe 5 years ago when someone clued me in to a new carbine stock maker and where I could buy the stock retail. That stock was way off spec.
Auto-Ordnance and Inland are well aware of the problems with the stocks/handguards made by Altamont. The offset barrel channel, the handguard/stock fit, 1/4" shorter than all others, etc. auto Ordnance I think buys a B grade wood as knots and knot repairs are acceptable to them. Not all have them but when they do it's acceptable. The darker finish used on the Inland stocks makes it difficult to tell if any of theirs have these too.
I bought one of these stocks from Auto Ordnance several years ago. They told me then the knot plug repairs were acceptable and tried to tell me the knots/repairs were also acceptable to Ordnance on the original carbines. I have a new Auto Ordnance carbine I'm running through my usual eval to see if anything has changed and what they're doing. No repairs but a number of knots. Only relevant to Inland as they get their stocks from the same manufacturer and have had many of the same issues.
The Auto Ordnance I have at the moment I sent back due to the overlap of the handguard being too much. I also requested they machine the nose rounded instead of omitting that step. When it was returned they handguard fit was as it should have been in the first place. They did not round the nose.
To Inland's credit they have made some efforts to correct some of the stock issues. Such as the extra concave cut in the slingwell so the sling with oiler will fit. The stocks used by AO the sling/oiler doesn't fit and isn't included.
Since Altamont uses a CNC machine I don't understand why they don't just correct these issues once and for all. I suspect it may have to do with costs/profits that don't support making a better quality stock and handguard.
PM
Originally Posted by Sleeplessnashadow
