CNo7 .22 value

[WW2GURU]

I'm looking for a current or fairly recent value on my non-matching serial cno7 trainer. It's in the chest with no accessories. It is a 1944 serial removed unit with, as far as I can tell, all the correct parts. C broad arrow and LB stamps all over. Proper barrel and front and rear sights etc. 1944 LB serials on the bolt, lumber and chest but again not the same. I've had this since about 2008 and from what I see so far, values have changed drastically for the matched units as well as armourers specials like this one. 99% metal finish remaining and the lumber is nice with a few dings. Chest is rock solid.

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[Badger]

Values have gone up drastically, but to give you the best appraisal, pics would help

MKL entry for more information ...

1944 C No.7 .22 Caliber Lee-Enfield Training Rifle

Regards,
Doug

[WW2GURU]

I've got some pics I'll load up later. Your last value reference is coming up on on 2 years old. Any thoughts on the changes from there?
Second what would all the accessories be valued at so I can at least subtract.

[Peter Laidler]

You are a bit like the bloke who phones the garage up and says '........my car won't start. What's the matter with it?' What price or value or worth are you asking about. Are you selling it or is someone offering to buy it or do you want an insurance valuation - or what? You will never get an answer without further info. As a matter of actual financial worth, there is ONLY one actual way of telling. And that is the auction price. Sorry to sound a bit harsh, but harsh or not, the value is what you value it at. The price is the price someone will pay on the day. And you can only hope that the two agree

[Badger]

I've got some pics I'll load up later. Your last value reference is coming up on on 2 years old. Any thoughts on the changes from there?
Second what would all the accessories be valued at so I can at least subtract.

Ok, we'll wait for pics so someone can give you a reasonable idea.

I'm confused about your comment in regards to accessories. You said there were no accessories except for the transit chest, so why do you want to subtract something that doesn't exist?

Perhaps I'm misreading your comment... if so, my apologies..

Member Stencollector is an expert in these and he wrote the original article with valuations. I've asked him to visit this thread and comment to help you out...

Regards,
Doug

[WW2GURU]

When I do appraisals I work form the top down not from the bottom up because the bottom is always zero. May seem silly to some but we all know old doesn't mean valuable and condition can be as bad as just being junk. For example if a classic car is worth 100000 at the top of the mark, like a restored 57 chev convertible with a continental bumper and you have a 57 chev 4 door at the bottom at 15000 restored. Thats a pretty big range and anything in the middle of that range is going to be variable but can be narrowed down with a few simple steps. These same steps are used by any appraiser and can really be applied to anything within reason. What is the value of the options that are not there. You start with a fully loaded car and take away value from the principle by subtracting those things that should be or could be there. Break the condition down to several blocks, With cars it's about 3-4 major blocks. Find 3 completed sales (not asking prices) that represent the same configuration as best as possible. Add or subtract premiums based on original restored, original unrestored, some reproduction restored etc. Some may argue that you cant compare cars to guns but all the same rules on market, originality, condition, performance, desirability, rarity etc can be applied. I know that enfields are hotter sellers in Canada than they are in the the states so US prices aren't the best guide here. I want to know if values are still trending up and I should keep it. Maybe I should collect the missing accessories to increase overall value. Maybe I should sell it as it is or do some improvements first. As I'm patiently waiting for photobucket to painfully load maybe someone can answer these questions.

1. What is the value of the accessories that I don't have. Paper targets, jag, etc
2. What overall trends in value have occurred in the past 2 years. increase? decrease? neutral?
3. What prices have the last few incomplete put togethers gone for in Canada in the last year?
4. Would it be reasonable to take the price I bought it for and double it as per the article then adjust based on details?
5. Would collecting the missing accessories have a positive cost benefit ratio as in if I spend $200 on them would it increase the packages value by say $300?

[WW2GURU]

Come to think of it I may have purchased this rifle from Stencollector or it may have been my stens. I know I've done business with him in the past.

[WW2GURU]

CNo7 Slideshow by fragomatic | Photobucket

[stencollector]

Yours is a post factory mixmaster put-together. The bolt is from a .303 as evidenced by it's serial number. Some parts are incorrect, but whoever assembled it did manage to use Cdn marked as far as I can see. The wood is off a 1946 judging by the serial on it. Interesting that the forestock has the serial along with the 50s acceptance stamp on the wood. The safety is too early an example for the Cno7 as well. Buttplate is also wrong, but there are plenty of the NOS ones for $2 each out there these days to correct that.

It is the typical re-assembled rifle from one of the re-cycled receivers. I would suggest in the $1000 to $1200 range. That may vary a little depending on the level of quality of assembly. However, most guys at a gunshow do not get to check the barrel indexing or the headspacing, but rather merely get to check the trigger pull and the front barrel float. Well, not really float but rather pull off weight. If there is float, then either the rifle has been accurized or more often the wood is not properly fitted or warped.

Re accessories, I came in to a number of the cleaning rod and ends a year or two ago. I tossed most of them on gunnutz at $100 each and they sold out within hours. So apparently the price for the rod and four ends is somewhere north of that. The paper targets are no big deal price wise, so a couple thrown in to the chest do help to make the sale.

The rifle has not passed through my hands, as I would not have installed those wrong parts on one I did. There is one seller in Calgary who puts together several for each Easter gun show, but it doesn't look like his work either.

Prices for the put togethers seem to have stabilized over the past few years. I do see the odd guy buy one thinking it is an original (because the seller represented it as original) and paying between $1500-$1800, and a few have returned them after contacting me about their new purchase. With the sales of many many of the receivers on the Cdn market in the past decade, the assembled rifles seem to have somewhat satisfied the demand.

[WW2GURU]

I think I might have purchased it from FNC1 back when the article was written. I bought everything I saw back then. Curious about how to identify a proper buttplate. It seems to have a c broad arrow but that's all that I can see. Would you have a picture of the correct type? Someone recently reported a put together going for $2000. An anomaly or is the popularity pushing the prices up?