1944 Inland

[INLAND44]

A 4-44 barrel may be too late for the receiver. A 4.9 will have a 1-44 barrel, and it's not that far to 5.1 at the rate they were making them at that time. I would expect a 2-44, MAYBE a 3-44. But hey, I am definitely not an authority on these things. My 4.9/1-44 is a rebuild but I have seen a 2-44 barrel in beautiful original condition. It was dark gray Parkerizing, not black like Black Oxide. The barrels at that time were usually dated a month or two before the carbine shipping date. Your 5.1 was probably shipped in March or April.

[deldriver]

A 4-44 barrel may be too late for the receiver. A 4.9 will have a 1-44 barrel, and it's not that far to 5.1 at the rate they were making them at that time. I would expect a 2-44, MAYBE a 3-44. But hey, I am definitely not an authority on these things. My 4.9/1-44 is a rebuild but I have seen a 2-44 barrel in beautiful original condition. It was dark gray Parkerizing, not black like Black Oxide. The barrels at that time were usually dated a month or two before the carbine shipping date. Your 5.1 was probably shipped in March or April.

I checked in my CCNL featuring this particular serial block and their recorded data sheets showed 4-44 barrels on serials 5, 073xxx to 5,244xxx. Maybe on some point we can see some pictures of the OP's carbine.

[DaveHH]

N marked front sight. Type 2 barrel band with a triangle with two lines. Serial # 5,120,746. M no line marked mag release. 4-44 barrel.

The band is made by American Swiss and is correct. I have an 8-44 barrel on a 5.4 carbine.

[Detroit-1]

Pictures are on Gun Boards.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Pictures are on Gun Boards.

Do you have a link?
Why not put them on here?

[deldriver]

I went over and looked and it looks at least a little of a put together if you go by the mismatched parts coloring. Of course digital camera flash wreaks havoc with these old military issue weapon, so I'll take that into account. The barrel definitely looks glossy blued or at least a matte black black oxide to me. I do not think it's a Bavarian as was stated over on GunBoards, but since I am not a member on that site, I can't enhance the pictures well enough. I will say that the cartouche looks stamped yesterday to me and some others on that site; overall, I have seen worse carbines though.

[Detroit-1]

Not saying your wrong but aren't the parts supposed to be not the same color? I do think the barrel is blued as I stated. If someone was trying to build a put together to fool someone I would think they would have used a parked barrel not a blued one. As far as the stock goes it has not been sanded. It also has the IO mark in the slingwell. The hand guard is also marked IO. Ether way the gun is what it is and I can't wait to shoot it.

[DaveHH]

Inland carbines were finished as a unit after assembly of the receiver, barrel,sight and band. A Winchester on the other hand was assembled after the parts were finished, so you expect to see different finishes on some Winchesters as well as marks where the front sight was placed. The inland was sand blasted and assembled before being finished, thus the "shadow" on the barrel and lack of finish differences. You will see a different finish on the bolts of all of the carbines.

[Detroit-1]

Inland carbines were finished as a unit after assembly of the receiver, barrel,sight and band. A Winchester on the other hand was assembled after the parts were finished, so you expect to see different finishes on some Winchesters as well as marks where the front sight was placed. The inland was sand blasted and assembled before being finished, thus the "shadow" on the barrel and lack of finish differences. You will see a different finish on the bolts of all of the carbines.

The reason I have not posted pictures is I have tried before with no luck. Gun Boards is much easier. As for as the finish if you look at the trigger group and receiver there is very little difference if any. What I have heard is if a receiver of any carbine has been sand blasted it was to take off the old finish for refinishing. Now back to my Question, if some one was trying to deceive that it was not original why would they use a blued barrel? The barrel is not some shot out thrown on but a correct dated one. It gauges .5 Like new. I'm done now, I will just keep her for shooting.

[new2brass]

The receiver does not appear refinished, the trigger housing may however been refinished.
the barrel may very well be original. someone polished off the parkerizing and probably cold blued it. this is evident at the rear where there is a transition from Blue to no finish to Park. You can also see the cross hatch pattern from this in several spots. I would guess the barrel band was sitting in that location of no finish as colorant was being applied.
If you have a good nose I would bet the barrel has a slight rotten egg smell.

She looks good, and with the tight barrel I am sure she will make a fine shooter.

One side note, some have said that there are two type H.I. marked late hammers. Look how tall this one is and compare if you have one. I believe there to be three different sizes.