04-11-2009 05:21 PM
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I just realized I didn't get a picture of the top/rear part of the frame, it is also stamped with a circled RA and a G.
I know the circled RA stands for Lt Col Raul Adreas Ara.
A few parts are stamped with a circled R.
What might the circled R stand for?
What about the G ?
In one of the pics you can see a C or G stamped inside the left groove of the slide.
Also the picture showing the upper left grip screw hole. It has the number 20 at about the 9 'o' clock position, also a number 3 at the 3 'o' clock position.
Any idea what these may stand for?
I'm guessing the V with the small P inside it at the 6 'o' clock would be a Colt proof (?)
Any thoughts are appreciated.
Xavier Thoughts: The Colt Sistema
Here's a starting point for your research. I have a more definative reference somewhere but I can't remember what I ate for dinner let alone find that site.
Good luck, B.
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As to the G, Colt made it the practice to stamp military contract pistol frames, slides, and to some extent barrels, with a G (Government), and commercial sales pistols with an S at times when both contract and sales pistols were in production.
Military contract pistols may be found with an S, and commercial sales pistols with a G, as Colt never threw anything away and routinely transferred parts between contracts. In 1924 Colt had a contract for 10,000 of the improved version of the Model 1911, but receivers marked with a G are found up into the early 1930's on commercial sales pistols. During WWII Colt transferred a large quantity of completed commercial .45's to the military contract, along with a lot of parts already stamped with the S. While the commercial pistols had the blue finish sandblasted off, and were renumbered in the military serial number range, the parts mentioned still carried the S.
In view of the condition and the replaced front sight, collector value would not be much. I own a couple of these and the condition isn't much better than yours. I paid shooter grade prices for them. Interesting piece of history but most have seen hard use. I'm pretty certain the circled R is also an Argentine stamp, Clawson has a more info in his Government Models book, I'll look it up tonight.
Appreciate your help....
The circled R and RA are both Argentine inspector's stamps. The inspectors were present at the Colt factory when the guns were made according to Clawson. Major Juan Carlos Bassi was in charge of the inspection team. Lt.Col Ara was Director F.M.A.P. in Argentina, they made the Sistemas in Rosario, Argentina.
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Looks like a previous post was lost when the power here went off.
Anyway, that pistol is a bit unusual in having the Argentine serial number on the right side of the frame in script. They normally had no serial number at all in that position, and the true frame serial was under the mainspring housing. When the guns were brought back, the importer was required to number the frame, so the slide number was used, but the number stamp was in a different font. Snce the Argentines apparently used only the slide number for inventory and control, they placed little emphasis on keeping parts together and it is rare for the original frame number, under the MSH, to match the slide or added frame number.
Painter777, could you look under the MSH and see if there is a number there and if it matches the slide number?
First I'd like to Thank You All for the help.....
Here's a picture of the Serial Number under the MSH.....
Every Number on it matches...
Here's a link to my Photo's of it,
Colt-Argentine model of 1927 pictures by Painter8439 - Photobucket