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Saw some guy buying this in .30 carbine last weekend at a show because is was the cheapest stuff on the table, $16.99 for 50 round box. Wolf was $19.99 a box, S&B $23.99 a box.
Isn't it made by Wolf? It has the same steel cases. Why is it less money?
Been tempted too, at $12/box (CTD), but haven't yet taken the plunge. Really no idea why it's so much cheaper than anything else. Very nearly the cost of just bullets.
Steel jackets I think on Tula and Wolf- Not good for Carbine some say. Others say it is fine but dirty. For me, since you will be hard pressed to replace a barrel, I stay away from Steel jacket ammo. Windeners in TN has Prvi Partizan on sale for 17.45 for 50 round box which is brass.
I wasn't interested in buying it.
Even though I have a lot of extras, I like my my extractors too much. Plus you can lose the plunger and spring.
Just wondering if it is an odd chute branch of Wolf.
If I recall. The steel jacket on the bullet isn't supposed to be an issue, the steel case certainly is. I've used pulled steel jacketed carbine bullets from LC ammo. The barrel life on a carbine is really great anyway. Those tests during the war were 6,000 rounds and they hardly bothered the barrels, in fact some of the carbines were released into service after the tests, so they were far from worn out.
I sure don't want that shellac coated steel cased Russian crap in my carbines. Their AK 47 and 74s have chrome lined barrels and chambers designed for steel cases, so they get away with it. The extractors are the weak link anyway in the carbine, why abuse them?
The head stamp on Wolf and Tula are, I believe, the same.
Same stuff.
I've never had a problem with Wolf ammo in many different rifles and handguns.
If Tula is the same as Wolf, it's coated with some sort of chemical, not varnish as it used to be, so it doesn't crud up your chamber (whicjh used to be true).
It's plinking ammo. You won't get great groups. If you want tight groups, buy Prvi Partizan, consistent loads and reasonable (but not cheap) price.
Wolf (with the exception of Military Classic .223, which has given me some problems) is reliable (as are Brown Bear and Silver Bear for that matter).
But they are dirty. As one wag on another forum noted: "The Russians have discovered how to make dirt explode." :madsmile:
HT
It is dirtier than some (not all) ammo
Tula has been around as a Russian state armory for hundreds of years. Wolf does not make any of their own ammo. It is all contracted out and Tula has been making all of their steel case from the beginning. The Wolf Gold is made by Prvi and is excellent quality but the steel case does leave a lot to be desired. There is better ammo out there then Wolf and you get what you pay for.
When WOlf first came out with Carbine ammo I bought 500 rounds cheap. I fired one box. Out of my otherwise tight shooting weapon, the groups were dismal. Way different POA even at 25 yards. Inconsistent ejection, and inconsistent bangs. Smelled of ammonia. When I took it apart, it was very dirty...and when I detail stripped the bolt because it was so dirty, I had a chipped extractor lip. Still serviceable, but damaged. I soild 450 rounds on GB cheap... I use steel case in my AK, but that's it!
Watch out for double charged tulammo rounds.
Your rifle and hands are worth spending a few extras bucks.
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