The mysterious No8T rifles…………..
You’re probably thinking ‘…..has this bloke lost the plot?’ but hold on a few minutes before ‘worried of Worthing’ writes in to the Editor…..
In June/July 1977, there was a General Staff Requirement (what we call simply ‘a GSR’) of January that year that stated:
’….the sniper gains little in value in shooting in the indoor range or theatre as he cannot use the No8 rifle fitted with the No32 telescope or in darkness, with the IWS. It is suggested that fitting the (L42) rifle sight pads to the No8 rifle would enable the No32 sight and IWS to it for use indoors. ITDU are to trial the suggested proposal and to assess the adjustment that would need to be made to the No32 telescope and the IWS when fitted to and fired using the No8 rifle at 25 yards’
The choice of the standard No8 rifle was because there were plenty in stock and utilizing these would save considerable expense. The idea was not new. It certainly wasn’t because 10 years before, similar No9 type telescoped rifles had been used for the same purpose. And the current No8 rifle when fitted with the No4 butt was similar in operation and appearance to the L42 rifle. And anyway, if need be, it would be a simple, local exercise to fit a production L42 fore-end and handguard to the No8 rifle. Indeed, there was still 1959 dated authority to units engaged in the large scale training of recruits that in order to create realism to the shooting training programme, No4 butts could be fitted to the No8 rifle…….. but I digress
Two No8 rifles were supplied together with several sets of body pads (presumably from stripped/redundant No4 or L42 rifles). These were fitted at the ITDU workshop. The first thing that became apparent was that the No8 rifles with tapered body sides (the ex Fazakerley No5 bodies, where they utilized old No5 stocks) were unsuitable for any such conversion.
The long and short of the trials is that what the team wanted was impossible to achieve! They wished that any converted No8 rifle would stand alone WITHOUT a separate sight and that the sight would be transferred from the L42 rifle that the sniper was using on the course. There were obvious problems. Firstly, NO sniper wanted to upset his finely zeroed No32 telescope (they were L1A1 by then, but let’s not spoil their paperwork…..) that he KNEW would retain its zero when removed and replaced. Indeed, some refused to remove them once zeroed in! Some trials were undertaken to ascertain what adjustment would be needed to change back and forth on the courses. Alas, they were flogging a dead horse. After all, that’s WHY the telescope is numbered to the rifle in the first place.
Additionally, the fixed focus No32/L1A1 telescopes were quite incapable of focusing down to such short ranges and have to be adjusted at the objective to do so. Quite why the trials team did not suggest that the idea had some merit providing that a small supply of redundant telescopes were made available is not clear. There were certainly stockpiles (albeit small….) of Mk2/1 telescopes that could have been utilized.
Anyway, the trial ended and in September 1977 and at the suggestion of the trials team, Lt Col Randall put the matter to bed. But the question is still there………. Have these two enigmatic No8T rifles emerged onto the commercial marked yet? Do you have one still with the pads or the tell tale holes. Don’t all jump up because while we don’t know the serial numbers, they do carry the engraved markings of the ITDU authority – and I’m not telling you what it is!
Peter Laidler
Little does he know that I know that he knows that I know ...
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Peter Laidler
Don’t all jump up because while we don’t know the serial numbers, they do carry the engraved markings of the ITDU authority – and I’m not telling you what it is!
Oh well, in that case I won't tell you where the holes are!:lol:
Does anyone recognize the source of the quote in the title? (Not much chance unless you are British and 60+).:D
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