Strange Eddystone M1917 conversion
The following rifle was being sold in an online auction in Germany. It has a M1903 front sight and a 03A3 rear sight, a strange front sight protector and a stock with short finger clearance cutouts on both sides (Pattern 1914 style, but no dial plate):
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9e5d8e2d-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9e5d9e13-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9e5dad75-1.jpg
Any idea why someone would do that?
P17 systgem in P14 stock from French North Africa (probably Algeria)
AFAICTWAHTOIMH, this is actually a P17 system in a P14 stock. The give-away is the French stock marker, CIE being the French abbreviation for COMPAGNIE i.e. company. At some stage in WWII the French were given a load of P14s, as being surplus to front-line requirements and they seem to have ended up in North Africa, specifically Algeria, where they were used by pro-French forces. A number have now ended up in Germany, and in my search for a usable P14 I have seen and handled several, shot a couple, and every single one was worn out beyond even my optimism. This is quite simply one of those relics that has been recycled with whatever could be scrounged. Take the stock from a shot-out P14, an M1917 system that has a cut-down or damaged stock (as the M1917 stock AND sights are missing, I would guess the donor was a sporterized rifle), 1903A3 sights and ... hey presto ... Vive le Bubba!**
Patrick
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** to be fair to the French, I suspect the Bubbaring was done here in Mauserland, using a sporterized M1917.
Please, what is a range rifle?
I am not sure if I know exactly what you mean by a range rifle. What I am sure about is that this rifle would not be acceptable for ex-service rifle competitions in this country. While the replacement of an M1917 stock by a P14 stock would probably be acceptable as being from what is basically another version of the same design (and might even go unnoticed!) it is not permissible to change the nature of the rifle to gain an advantage by fitting sights of a non-original type.
I have seen all these components - sporterized M1917, worn out P14, Springfield sights - in the last half-year on the German auction site, and wondered myself about refurbishing a sporterized M1917 (I have a stock set with all fittings). Somebody else seems to have bought up those bits and done it.
Patrick
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Another possible system donor
For some months a dealer has been repeatedly offering an M1917 in an altered configuration described as a "Greenland rifle". Whether the dealer has one or several of them I cannot tell. This type is distinguishable by the backsight ears being milled off and open sights fitted (which alters the handguard). Maybe the unnown Bubba got one of these as the donor of the M1917 system. Hard to see otherwise why someone should mill off the ears just to fit an '03A3 backsight. And the naked '03 foresight blade is not as good as the original M1917 foresight protected by its ears.
I repeat my original opinion: opportunistic fudging done in Germany.
Patrick
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