Mosin Nagant M38 and M44

I've been kicking around getting a M38 or an M44. I have a couple of questions about the pieces before I decide which one to get. I know that there is folks out there that may shed some light on my decision Is it true that on an M44 will have a different POI with the bayonet folded than deployed. Will it shoot better with the bayonet taken off? How does a counter-bored barrel differ from a non-counter-bored rifle? What is expected as far as accuracy from these rifles. Any information on these historic pieces is greatly appreciated!!! :cool:

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Is it true that on an M44 will have a different POI with the bayonet folded than deployed.

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yes. they were designed to be fired with the bayonet extended. fold it back and it'll shoot a bit to the right

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Will it shoot better with the bayonet taken off?

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no. you'll just have to adjust your aim to compensate for a part that was designed to be there

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How does a counter-bored barrel differ from a non-counter-bored rifle?

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counter boring was done to repair a damaged muzzle. it was done by drilling down the muzzle to remove the damaged part. as a result, there will be no lands and grooves where it was counterbored. it's not a bad thing. a counter bored rifle will outshoot a rifle that has a damaged muzzle

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What is expected as far as accuracy from these rifles.

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the M38 and M44 are carbines and are not as accurate at very long ranges like full size rifles are. you should have no trouble reaching out to 100 yards with iron sights though.

Thank you for the response! :)

you're welcome. happy to help

Given the choice between the M38 and the M44, I'd get the M38, because it's rather scarcer, and a little more "wieldy". But, having both, they shoot about the same, the '44 tending to have a little less recoil due to the extra weight. But a fairly original and non-renumbered 91/30 would go home first!

From the bench I was hitting a steel pig at 300 yards with my M44 using surplus ammo. It is possible to reach out and touch something with these rifles.

I enjoy the M44, M38, 91/59. All of them seem to have a unique character. Get one, you will not regret it.

I have both a M38 and a M44 and like them both. As stated above try to get the M38 first as there are less of them available.

I have an M38 thats been counter bored, and it shoots great. Its also very loud and has a good amount of kick, but its fun to shoot. You will enjoy wich ever one you decide to buy.

I have an M44 from Romania. I find it nose-heavy, but it shoots well enough. It was too cheap to pass up, but I think I would prefer an M38 due to the lack of bayonet provisions. Counterboring is not a consideration factor for me.