Introduction and questions about bayonets, axe and flail.

Hello,

We have about two dozen edged weapons in our family collection. Most of these are of the chinese fantasy variety or obvious display pieces / replica's, but there are several which we're not sure about, and a few that I think the people of this great forum would like to see.

First, from our collection, four bayonets:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4/e8vpfr-1.jpg

If I'm not mistaken, the bottom two are Mauser bayonets, short and long model. The one at the top is AFAIK an AK bayonet. It's the second one from the top that we know next to nothing about, though. Here is a close-up of the markings on this particular weapon and the symbol on the sheeth:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4/wl3uau-1.jpg

My hope is that the more knowledgable people on this forum might be able to tell me more about this piece, and whether or not it's worth something. We're not planning to sell, but it is still interesting to know the value.

Next, two particularly interesting pieces:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../34focgg-1.jpg

The top weapon of longsword length was hand-made in Sudan, using an old truck leafspring as base. The scabbard is leather.

The saber is an old, original dutch police saber, from early 20th century. It's seen better days and the leather outer covering of the scabbard is very much ruined, but since this is not only an original piece but also a family heirloom, it's still the 'pride' of our collection.

Lastly there are these two weapons:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../2vtcjm1-1.jpg

We have absolutely zero idea where they come from, when they were made, or anything else about their origin or age. I don't believe they're original / 'real' pieces, part of me believes they're just something someone cooked up in a shed as hobby pieces, but again, the hope is that someone more knowledgable can shed some light on them. The hardware seems to be iron rather than steel, and the metal pieces are fastened to the wooden shafts via thick, square-headed medieval style nails.

I think you'll find the dutch police saber is a boarding cutlass. The bayonet second from top is Swede AG42b (among other rifles it fits) and the bottom ones you can find on BAyonet Collection Presentation and Carl will be happy to help. The other three collective are likely as you think, not really much of anything special.

The all metal silver bayonet is a Swedish Mauser 1896 bayonet. Farly common but the leather frog is a nice addition. The bottom Mauser bayonet is probably a cut down/modified Turkish bayonet that may have begun life in either Germany or Turkey.

Both identifications of the bayonet are correct, the Ljungmann AG42 rifle was designed to use the bayonet from the Mauser 1896. The monogram on the leather frog is for Gustav VI Adolf, Sweden's previous king who died in 1973.

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Originally Posted by hpj

Both identifications of the bayonet are correct, the Ljungmann AG42 rifle was designed to use the bayonet from the Mauser 1896.

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Thanks but we weren't in doubt about that one...

Here's what I think:

Top one is an East German AK47. The photo is on the dark side but it looks to have black grips and a bright blue/black finish. If the frog strap is a gray cotton or nylon material that will confirm my guess. Second one down is the Swedish Modeil 1896 as previously stated. Third is an Iranian Model 98/22. or at least I believe the scabbard is. Note the wire loop on the face of the scabbard in place of the frog stud. The Iranian bayonet will have a crown and Farsi numerals on the end of the pommel. The bottom bayonet is a Yugoslavian Model 1948.

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Originally Posted by porterkids

The bottom bayonet is a Yugoslavian Model 1948.

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You could be right. When I looked at the photo I thought the blade had been cut because I couldn't see the end of the groove but looking again I can see the groove ends before the tip of the blade.

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Originally Posted by porterkids

Third is an Iranian Model 98/22.

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I didn't see an option you edit my previous post. It should read Iranian Model 98/29.

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Originally Posted by Aragorn243

You could be right. When I looked at the photo I thought the blade had been cut because I couldn't see the end of the groove but looking again I can see the groove ends before the tip of the blade.

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There's no doubt on this one; it's a Yugoslavian Model 1948.

Agree with the East German AK47 bayonet. There is sometimes an electro pencil number on them as well.

Can't see the stampings on the Swedish Mauser bayonet. EJAB with a Crown and Anchor stamping is Eskilstuna. They are still making fine knives today! EKA is their modern brand name.

Crown C (capital C) is the Carl Gustaf factory.

My Swedish Mauser bayonet was donated to my collection by a local builder who found it in a kitchen draw of a flat he was clearing out!
Tip= if the knerled hand grip is going rusty try gentle rubbing with wire wool, some oil and then metal polish.
If you can see cross grindings on the blade near the hilt. This was done to help keep water out of the scabbard and oil inside. This was also done on British bayonets circa 1888 and can be an indication they are in original condition.

Hope the above is of interest. kind regards, Lester