Enfmauser for sale.....

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11-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Badger

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Enfmauser for sale.....

Got an email from a member with a link to an auction...

Sorry, I received it a while ago, but got busy and never had a chance to post it, as he requested ...

Anyone want an Enfauser? :)

Regards,
Doug

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BSA No.1 Mk3 Enfield 1 of 24 -- Turkish M38 Conversion - Gallipoli Capture WW1

Guns For Sale - BSA No.1 Mk3 Enfield 1 of 24 -- Turkish M38 Conversion - Gallipoli Capture WW1

Stop watching and start bidding. I am going to offer this gun to museums, and you can kiss it goodbye. 1 of 24 known to be in the country. When this auction ends, and there is no buyer, it will not be relisted. I guess you can call it an Enfmauser. Rare with history behind it. The Brits tried to invade Turkey at Gallipoli, there was a movie with Mel Gibson. Has Turkish serial numbers, and they match. Bore is dark, but good rifling, no pits or rust. Was made at BSA 1915 and converted by the Turks in 1938. Has Ankara marking on the receiver ring. I usually offer the gun to the highest bidder, reserve met or not, so make sure you are the highest bidder. Look at my other auctions and feedback. I also have a Turk converted P1907 bayonet modified to fit on the Turk M1938.
11-21-2012, 01:13 PM
villiers

"there was a movie with Mel Gibson"

OK .... now I can at last believe that the Gallipoli landings really did take place. Without the movie, I´d have been sceptical (same with Ben Hur etc)
11-21-2012, 03:25 PM
muffett.2008

I'm still sceptical about the Ben Hur bit.:madsmile:
11-23-2012, 12:18 PM
jrhead75

Considering all of the places that British/Commonwealth/Empire forces fought the Turks, and the thousands of rifles captured all over the various theaters involved, I was especially impressed by the Little Big Horn comparison.

I hope no museum representatives were hurt in what was no doubt a mad scramble to acquire this piece.
11-23-2012, 02:12 PM
Bear43

I was wondering if anyone else noticed that Little Big Horn comparison in that answer. That was where I did a little snort, chuckle and a shake of the head.
11-23-2012, 02:44 PM
Ridolpho

A better British analogy for the Little Bighorn might be a Martini from Isandhlwana (though I think the Native Americans involved were, individually, better armed than the Zulu). But I'm curious about the Turkish conversion to 8mm. How was the strengthening bar on the right side of the action body attached and what other modifications were involved? Maybe the Australians should have tried something similar in their efforts to convert No1 MkIII's to 7.62? I'd love to own one of these as an interesting wallhanger!

Ridolpho
11-23-2012, 06:28 PM
bouletbill

[QUOTE=Ridolpho;243928]. But I'm curious about the Turkish conversion to 8mm. How was the strengthening bar on the right side of the action body attached and what other modifications were involved?

Was a strengthening bar really necessary ? A pre WWI BSA catalogue lists Long and Carbine L-E's as well as the 'latest' Short Pattern - Mk III all with the optional calibres of ... 7m/m(.276) rimless. 173 grain spitzer, 2300fps, 2029ft-lbs
8m/m(.315) rimmed. 175grain spitzer, 2500fps, 2430ft-lbs
The latter being considerably more powerful than .303 MkVII. Not only that, they also offered the .375 Express with a whopping 270 grain Velopex for "heavy game".
11-23-2012, 07:46 PM
Ridolpho

bouletbill: That's very interesting and does make one wonder. The Turks must have had a reason for attaching the very ugly additional metal. I believe there's some good photos of the right side of the action modification in the big Skennerton book. And as I mentioned, it is well documented that the Australians had to abandon the planned conversion of No1 MkIII's to 7.62 NATO due to headspace rapidly opening up and, I believe, some cracks forming. One wonders how those "sporters" held up.

Ridolpho
11-24-2012, 06:19 AM
muffett.2008

If I remember correctly, the Australians were pushing for a semi Auto and there was a lot of in-house opposition to upgrading the current rifle,
The tests were poorly conducted and the conclusions manipulated to suit.
11-24-2012, 10:57 PM
darwinmauser

[QUOTE=bouletbill;243961]

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Originally Posted by Ridolpho

. But I'm curious about the Turkish conversion to 8mm. How was the strengthening bar on the right side of the action body attached and what other modifications were involved?

Was a strengthening bar really necessary ? A pre WWI BSA catalogue lists Long and Carbine L-E's as well as the 'latest' Short Pattern - Mk III all with the optional calibres of ... 7m/m(.276) rimless. 173 grain spitzer, 2300fps, 2029ft-lbs
8m/m(.315) rimmed. 175grain spitzer, 2500fps, 2430ft-lbs
The latter being considerably more powerful than .303 MkVII. Not only that, they also offered the .375 Express with a whopping 270 grain Velopex for "heavy game".

It was not necessary to strengthen the receivers of the LE for these calibres, BSA offered them in their Lee Speed line of sporting rifles, the 7x57 was from memory the rimmed version, the 8 mm was the Austrian 8x50R now days known as the 315 IOF, and the 375 x 2 1/2 nitro express is a low pressure round ( around 30,000 PSI )

cheers
Pete