Two cleaning rods

Attached are pics of two cleaning rods, which I think are for Mausers, but I dunno which ones. Can anybody I.D. them?
The shorter one is 15 5/8" long, .2" minor diameter, threads fit my 98s. No markings.
The longer one is 17 1/4" long and .257 diameter for the whole length. it is serial numbered.
except for the threads do not match my 98 and being so fat, it appears to be a Mauser. My best guess is for a spanish 1893/1895?
Thanks all.

There are so many different rods for those, I just try them in the gun and see. If it looks right...

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

There are so many different rods for those, I just try them in the gun and see. If it looks right...

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Yeah, I do the same, but I've got half a dozen or so Mausers of different types without rods, it'd be cool to get them matched up with the correct ones if possible. BTW, the fat rod is for a Mexican M1910.